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In a message dated 9/14/02 4:45:20 AM, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: [Steve quoting Kim] >> The "storing" part and the "transferable" part always seem like nice- >> to-have features. It would be a nice little check box to have there on >> the EDP brochure - You can save your loops and easily transfer them >> to PC! [Steve's comment] >I have to say that at the moment I'd have no need of those features in >an EDP. I guess that for me was the biggest different between the EDP >and the Repeater - EDP is ostensibly a looper/mangler, Repeater seemed >to be a versatile real time sampler...valid distinction? probably not... >:o) I sort of agree with some of the above. But one of the things that is VERY "nice" about saving loops to reuse later is capturing the "How the hell did I do that? Gee, I wish I could save it." sort of event. The reuse may or may not involve performance directly. It may be educational -- to disect the loop and determine what the heck is really going on in it -- finding out how and why it works. But, there are plenty of "work arounds" for this -- the most obvious being simply recording everything you do (not always possible). Beyond the use of my guitar and EDPs, my own practice of looping these days (actually for a long time now) does involve recording a whole lot of stuff on my Mac quite a bit of the time -- and using the computer to save, edit/mangle it to death and a sampler to loop it later in performance (along with the EDP stuff). When the Repeater came out I was really tempted . . . stereo, time-stretch, file saving and more. But I opted to get a better, more compact phrase sampler (than my old Akai S-20) instead. An SP-303 saves to smart media and is a simple, bare-bones unit for adding that "save and play later" feature to my EDP setup. Plus, it does a little slicing and dicing of it's own and is about the size of an average textbook. I agree with Steve that the Repeater has a lot of "sampler" characteristics rolled into it's looper feature set. I guess that was what I eventually figured out and made my decision NOT to purchase one. Though I did actually talk Dr. Bob (my drummer at Loopstock in SLO) into getting one as his first hardware looper. He seems to be enjoying it too. BTW -- those little, dinky phrase samplers that are out today are a vast improvement on the days when I had to haul a couple of old Roland keyboard samplers around to gigs -- in addition to my guitar, rack, pedals and cabs. I may be an almost semi-okay guitar picker but I am a miserable keyboardist. Put something as big as a keyboard (or 2) on stage with you and folks actually expect you to PLAY it. When it appears that you don't really (and only diddle with a few keys every once in a while) they are often pretty darned disappointed. Oh well. Looping along . . . Ted Killian www.mp3.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html