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am 15.10.2002 8:16 Uhr schrieb Goddess unter thefates@earthlink.net: > I think the audience is a very important part of a performance. <smile> > Personally, I address the audience all the time when playing, in speech, > in mannerism, in physical stance, in visual aspects of the performance > itself, and the music itself as well. The audience matters in all of it. > -just like I, and the music matter in all of it. <smile> The audience >is > cool, and if you treat them that way, they and you, contribute to > eachother. It all goes together to make a wonderful performance. -just >my > thoughts... > > Smiles, > > CQ > > At 08:56 PM 10/14/02 +0100, you wrote: >> Max ("max valentino" ekstasis1@hotmail.com) wrote: >> >> >>> It interests me how others here are using their loopers. especially > those who >> might be working within an ensemble. If you are working within the >> structures of ³traditional² song forms, how does that work? >> >> Iıve been using loopers in three settings recently, ranging from >> ambient/avant/improv to French tradtional music. The ambient band >> (www.big-hair.co.uk) features fretless bass, theremin and trombone and >is >> essentially structured improvisation using loops now and again with >various >> boxes and long long delays. By contrast, I play fretless bass in a five >> piece band (www.pauljamesmusic.com) (drums, keyboards/accordion, >samples, >> sax/bagpipes) which plays real songs. The role of the looper is to >provide >> digital voodoo to complement bagpipes and accordion playing. I also use >> atempo loops and very long delays with a pitch shifter/Ebow to play >> melodies/harmonies which sound like nothing else you would usually >encounter >> in folk music. Works well. We get gigs. >> >> >> >>> The other interesting aspect of this thread is of the nature of > performance. >>> Especially with solo loopers, there is a tendency towards >³shoe-gazing². >>> We might have so much going on with our feet and hands that any >performance >>> (read: entertainment) aspect is simply impractical. I did not make it >to >>> the recent Womenıs LoopFest, but from what I hear, there were several >>> performers who added a visual spectacle to some very impressive looping >> techniques. >> >>> This is important as what we do as musicians is directly tied to our > ability >>> and need to communicate on some level with people who are not >musicians. >>> People who do not play are always fascinated by our alchemical >abilities to >>> conjure up sounds, which relate to them on various intellectual and > visceral >>> levels. Yet, attention spans do not last that long. The >>> visual/entertainment aspect of our work is a great aid in our ability >to >> communicate. >> >> Good point. I play the knobs on the DL4 and frankly it is desperately >> non-visual (keeps me happy, though). By contrast, Big Hair involves >three >> visual instruments a bass guitar, the sliding of a trombone and the >arm >> waving involved in theremin playing. Also, my musical partner has long >been >> a theatre performer too. This means that we are able to shape >performance >> and harness his stage presence as well as his trombone/theremin skills. >> >> If youıre asking people to pay to see you, then I think you have a duty >to >> give them something back it may be that the music you do is so >fantastic >> that the visual side is not relevant. On the other hand, there are >positive >> benefits for performer and audience if you spend time thinking about >these >> things. For example, Big Hair performed at an experimental music fest >where >> the audience had been faced with serious electronic improvisers for two >days >> solid, most of whom could have been playing in their bedroom for all the >> notice they took of the two hundred people watching. We came on and >spoke >> to, and looked at the audience they responded very positively. In >fact, >> the audience reaction made us play better. A positive feedback loop (no >pun >> intended). >> >> One side effect of modifying the sound of a bass with all this gear is >that >> the audience doesnıt realise what is making the sound it could be a >> keyboard. Generally, they donıt care and Iım sure this is right. To me, >this >> underlines the point that it is the music which is most important, not >the >> technology. The old punk rocker in me starts to get very suspicious >when the >> gear itself becomes the reason to play. >> >> v >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > After five years of playing the same 60, simple folktunes/songs with just my good, old doublebass (and still finding new approach in a very detailed way of looking),I now come the point to have the freedom to really work on my performance. What i want to sayis this: The more complex the music your playing and the techniques you are using, the longer it will take to become a good musician and performer in the same time. For me the consequence will be trying to simplify my setup, my music. I believe this way I´ll naturally find an more audience-friendly way to perform my looping. CW