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> > >To leave this really cool list just because one member is bugging you just >seems >a bit like the easy way out. A very reasonable and thoughtful post, so let me try taking a stab at this again myself. First, I'll extend an apology to Miko. To say publicly that someone's posts are 'useless' isn't particularly kind, so I apologize. I suppose what I have objected to is what appears to be (and I may be wrong about this) Miko's style and/or internet persona. Personally I would prefer that people reply to stuff that is more or less on topic (unless specifically designated as off topic). Second, Miko seems (to me at least) to speak in riddles half the time, as if (again, I may be wrong...) to suggest he is either hipper-than-thou or somehow "in the know" about things the rest of us aren't. Sometimes I'm guessing it's simply a more or less successful attempt at humor, but other times it seems equal parts condescending and/or insulting to other list members who aren't in the know. And, for what it's worth (which ain't much), I don't consider myself a dummy, and I know there are plenty of very bright people here. I happen to be finishing a PhD at the University of Chicago. I don't have a lot of patience for two things as a result--pseudo-intellectualism (what I refer to above as speaking in riddles--as if you know things the rest of the poor, ignorant slobs don't), and real, pompous intellectualism--pretentious, showing off of one's knowledge just to try to belittle others. Maybe Miko is doing neither; maybe he's doing some of both? Maybe he's just playing games to piss off people like me (artists are known to fuck with people *just* for the sake of fucking with people, after all) Maybe I just get frustrated because I have little patience for any of the above? >Just write him with your complaints (and doing so offlist would be the >most >efficacious Agreed, but I just don't want to take the time sometimes--it's draining. The internet is such a bizarre place. Few of us actually know each other, and yet all of these lists we participate in are communities of some sort. We all try to get along as best we can, and there are people who attempt to mediate disputes between us, and so forth. At the end of the day, though, I'm finding that it's just taking up too much of my time to address every little (or big) problem that comes along. It's a matter of keeping a decent signal to noise ratio, as is often said. I don't like noise. >Please stay guys.............fight for the quality of this list!!!! I >support you. > Ok, I've said my peace then. Miko, I'm sorry if I jumped on your case too quickly. I do not know you, and I would not presume to tell you how to express yourself on this list. But perhaps you could consider some of what I said above. To start over, here's a little bit about me, since I probably didn't give a proper introduction a month or two ago when I joined. I already mentioned I'm doing the academic thing above, so eventually I'll be a prof. somewhere. I'm also a musician, a guitar player by trade. Been playing about 20 years, but I feel like a beginner. The more you learn, the less you realize you know. I'm not a looper--yet. I want to get an EDP, but I still haven't come up with the funds. So, in the meantime, I'm learning what I can from the group (most of the tech talk goes over my head, but learning through osmosis can be a good thing) and I'm listening to the stuff that people have uploaded or have sent links to. I've found that I've liked some of it an awful lot, and some of it wasn't really my cup of tea. I'm quite interested in hearing more, though. Peace, Jeff