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thanks for all the info on the bay area loopathons. re: my own participation, i don't think i'm strong enough technique-wise to play out of my studio live, yet- i'm working towards my own vcabulary using voice samples with keybd instrumental music and sampled sound effects, and i believe in the direction, but it's still developing. i really don't want to show up at a festival and encounter the "oh, that's nice, needs work though" thing, i want to try and blow minds! or at least make people go "huh?!?" i did have one "pro" gig, i provided background loop stuff for a porn tape! i met a guy from new york who has a porn company at a krimson gig in SF, and he invited me to send some stuff. he was also a composer (big band/orchestral) and he ended up using my stuff in a scene, contract, paid me, etc. so maybe that's one direction for us all to go! haha also, i think that miko is probably really smart (like most of you) and probably lonely in a way that a lot of smart people in smaller communities are (i'm assuming), which is a rare, valuable and grace-given commodity in this hellish, selfish corporate nightmare culture. so i try to just skim his multiple posts, but i would never ask him to leave, that's like telling a cousin at the dinner table to go sit out in the snow overnight just because he talks about his homeroom teacher all the time. we're FAMILY, after all! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2