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I'd just like to extend thanks to Dave Coffin for helping my with my DL8000R manual quest. It took him a full 15 minutes to respond with help to my request(given maybe 2 minutes to read my mail and 3 mintes to reply, that leaves 10 minutes where he was slacking -- I forgive him) That's why I like the loop community thanks Dave Jim Winger _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail