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SGRUNT!!! eh eh eh eh eh, thank You Kim, really. I sayd sgrunt because now i'm more confused than ever! It seems that all manufacturer had a summit much time ago, talked about what were all the possibilities of a looping machine, and then decided to divide them between themselves, so that there is not one machine able to do all. Repeater has got four tracks, so that i can control each track volume and also manage overdubbing in many ways. While Echoplex can't (unless it can recognize each overdub to regulate some parametes for each one, as well as if undo function can choose to undo not the last overdub but for example the one done four times before. I haven't read the manual yet..., i had no money to buy an echoplex...) but it can, you say, now i will read manual to understand how, insert a sound in the middle of a loop and allow overdubbings longers than the first sound reorded. I would like so much to be able to have a looper with both repeater and echoplex features... Maybe one day... I can't get enough informations about groove machines (phrase samplers+looper+sequencer) to understand wich of the funcionalities of a real looper as echoplex or repeater get lost on those machines. I can understand how they loop, if it is possible or not to record audio live, in real time, and then instantly play it back as a loop or if each time you record on a sample pad you have then to press it manually to get it loop. I also have no idea on what is the task of a sequencer or what is the difference between a step sequencer and a real time one, and many things that makes it difficult to me to understand by theory what does a machine do and to decide which one or which ones to buy... Again sgrunt... And again thanks. Sergio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" <kflint@loopers-delight.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 8:12 AM Subject: Re: Insert mode on loopers... > At 09:07 PM 11/27/2002, Amleto wrote: > >Hy, > >i was thinking this: > >does anybody know if in any harware looper is there available an insert > >mode, so that while this mode is activated if you press record while a loop > >is playing it will insert the new sound in the middle of the loop from where > >you started recording? Even if you recorded a silence? > >Also, in every looper i know the lenght of aloop is determined by the first > >sound recorded on the empty loop. So, if further you want to record a longer > >phrase you can't if not as in repeater by multiplying a track or generating > >a silence at is end. Both unfortunately unexact methods, because you can't > >know a priori how long it will be the new pfrase, not if you want to > >improvise quickly. > >Does anybody know if in any looper there is a way to avoid this? > > these are basic features of the Gibson Echoplex. More info is on the LD > tools page: > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html > > > >Well, also, in repeater there are four track per loop. You can record a > >longer sound at first, on track one, and then a shorte one on track two. > >Supposing they are starting together, the one in track two will end before > >and will have to wait the first one to start again with it. Do you know if > >in repeater or in other loopers or sampler able to have separates tracks is > >there a way to let the shorter track reapeat itself just when it ends, > >without waiting the longer one? > >Oh, idea, it could be done by multiplying the shorter track... > > Multiply is a common way to do this in real-time, since it is very easy >to > manage while you are otherwise playing something else. This functio is very > simple to do in the echoplex. It is also possible in the repeater, but >not > so easy to use in real time. In either case the two elements need to have > an integer ratio between them. > > >ps: is there another hardware looper able to control separately many tracks > >as repeater does? > > DJRND has many more tracks than Repeater: > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/DJRND3/DJRND3.html > > but I don't think it has an Insert or Multiply function. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > >