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> I'd really like to hear recordings of some of the drumming you're >referring > to. I find it very hard to conceptualize drumming where one drummer is > completely out of time with another. > > -- Sarth > <A HREF="http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/clipserve/B00004UT8S001001/171-3280967- 7977854">Tawe Pilakou</A> well the CD I have is:- Prophet 03 Papua New Guinea Philips 538714-2 Above is a link to an audio excerpt (courtesy Amazon). If that excerpt goes from the start of the track (I haven't been able to check) then you'll clearly hear drummer 2 coming in with a similar, but not related tempo. Throughout the piece drummer 2 drifts about behind the beat, but at the start there's a brief period where the 2 tempi rub up against each other. andy