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Not talking about the portland loopfest (or any other loop shows I've seen) I'd like to say that I'm not really sure what you mean by "Transparent technology." Unless you're singing in an open field, you are using some sort of technology. Some technologies are more "mature" than others, in the sense that they do what they're meant to do well, and are understood and utilized by artists to achieve their goals. This can be a gray area for sure. Some art is about how technology works and effects us. It is it's own point and can be annoying, as the technology can be. In the scope of world history what we're doing is *really* new. There will be bumps in the road. I remember listening to Adrian Belew's "Desire Caught By The Tail" and thinking, "Adrian's got a new Guitar Synth and he wanked around with it and made an album." All but a few tracks seemed thin in the content world... unless you think of them as an album about the GR-300. (not sure if this was the model, but you know...) Later I read an interview where Adrian basically confirms what I'm saying, so there you have it. But he stuck with the Guitar Synth and quickly learned how to *use* it, instead of showcasing it's features. This is difficult. A lot of gear can be overwhelming. One must work in a sensitive way and all the time LISTEN. I played at Mat's Switch Show and what I found interesting is that some of the best stuff seemed to happen when musicians were all of the sudden thrust with new people using different instruments. I think it was because that's when people really started listening to each other. This is something we all have to strive for, and believe me, I know I can be guilty of getting lost in what I'm doing. This is especially bad when you're shooting for purely improvised music, and double plus bad if it's experimental. There's a difference between playing "noise" and making noise. Many are not sensitive to this difference. Many listeners are not sensitive to the difference either, and this often can lead to bad reviews of great shows. (I have no way of knowing if this is the case in Portland) Sometimes however, people are just wanking, and that's kind of OK too if that's what they like to do and they can find people who like to listen to wanking. Oh well, I'm just rambling now. Mark Sottilaro "S.P. Goodman" wrote: > I don't believe however that technology should "add" to my music, instead > that it be as transparent as possible to my hoped-for/intended result