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<<well, one of the most disappointing things about the dl4 is the way it handles delay time changes with audio throughput. if you're looking for the effect of echoes speeding up and slowing down forget it>> That's funny, MY DL-4 doesn't seem to have a problem with doing what you're describing. This is how you get those effects Tommy Bolin and Tom Scholz used to get out of their Echoplexes. For years I wondered how Scholz got those rocket launcher effects on the first two Boston albums without using a synth, then eventually saw a bootlegged concert video where it became obvious that he was running his old gold top Les Paul through a delay unit that he was manipulating with a foot pedal (according to the Boston website, it's a real tube Echoplex and he calls it his "Hyperspace Pedal"). As far as I'm concerned, the DL-4 has about everything I would want from a delay unit. The looping function is terrible (would have been much better if they had assigned the tweak and tweeze controls for the purposes of modulating the loop length, as opposed to the chorus effect they offer...if I wanted chorus, I'd turn on my MM-4, seeing as that's what THAT pedal is there for!). And while we're on the topic of Line 6 effects, anyone tried the distortion modeler? How is it? That's the only one of the four stompbox modelers I don't have, but I'm thinking about getting one (though I'm also thinking about getting a Z Vex Fuzz Factory). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com