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thanks for the many insightful comments on my last question. i get it now. and, sorry about the multiple "thanks", i thought i was replying to the senders, not the list.......... ok, new question as far as start/stop style loopers, what's the best? and what's the best for the money? i don't really care to much about speeding/slowing it down or reverse. although these are cool features if the money's right. but all i need is something where i can hit "start", play a riff, hit "stop", and get it to start repeating. then hopefully it'll let me solo over it without adding my new crap to the loop. what's the best for the buck? thanks! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com