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no prob In that case, I wouldn't try to mod the mem-man engine just get a Loop but in (just pre the feedback splitter) Then patch in a Boss pedal or something Same system, just using the Mem Man's internal controls. You might be able to do the mod to the digital instead - then you wouldn't have to mod your mem man You could always to it with the feedback loop on the Older Korgs or the Ibanez digitals, but you first echo won't be a sum Using a mem-man and a modern digital, you should have about the same footprint (roughly) of the Line 6 unit I would think From: "mr.monk" <monk@fuse.net> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: long analog delay Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:59:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Received: from mc7-f10.law1.hotmail.com ([65.54.253.17]) by mc7-s8.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:00:26 -0800 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by mc7-f10.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:59:59 -0800 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05142;Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:59:21 -0500 X-Message-Info: dHZMQeBBv44lPE7o4B5bAg== Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:59:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <monk@fuse.net> In-Reply-To: <F85eSHvnNFmXNZ60A8n00005a0b@hotmail.com> Message-Id: <2D85340C-2F0D-11D7-AC4B-000393073870@fuse.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: <HUEC7.A.RQB.ZmEM-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/29091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2003 19:59:59.0546 (UTC) FILETIME=[025499A0:01C2C31A] thanks, i'm familiar with the process ( i mostly produce records for a living and i own a biggi-sh recording studio...) but what i'm after is the ability to have a smaller pedal that i can step on a button and have that "thing" that the memory man has, but longer. i should probably just deal with the sound of the DL4 and forget it. for live stuff i'm looking for that sound and vibe AND portability. but thanks for putting all that effort into your response. i do appreciate it. monk On Thursday, January 23, 2003, at 02:23 PM, James Winger wrote: >Mr Monk > >Here is a quick and dirty of a system that should give you (memory man) >tones with longer delay times. > >Note : it's not ESSENTIAL to have the mixes at 100% - but for test >purposes >it's good. Remember that the only real essential is to have the FBACK of >both delays at 0% (it won't hurt anything to have it higher, but you'll >get >a multitap sound - if you just want simple delays keep them at zero) > >The number of echos will now be controlled through the mixer >and remember, if you want dry signal THROUGH the delays (as opposed to on >another channel) BOTH mixes will have to be upped > > >Here is a sample config through a mixer > > >Mixer Aux A --> Analog Delay Input >Analog Delay Output ---> digital delay Input >Digital Delay Output ----> channel 1 input > >Channel 1's Aux A feed will control your regen (number of echos) > >To add the effect to any channel, simply feed to Aux A > >Channel 1's LEVEL will control eho volume > >Note : this assumes your aux is prefade > > > > > > > > >From: "mr.monk" <monk@fuse.net> >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: long analog delay >Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:54:44 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) >Received: from mc7-f40.law1.hotmail.com ([65.54.253.47]) by >mc7-s12.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 22 >Jan >2003 13:55:15 -0800 >Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by >mc7-f40.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 22 >Jan >2003 13:55:15 -0800 >Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id >QAA08047;Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:54:39 -0500 >Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:54:39 -0500 >Old-Return-Path: <monk@fuse.net> >In-Reply-To: <F165RhQdOgl4rhYQYx300009cca@hotmail.com> >Message-Id: <1E047D91-2E54-11D7-AC4B-000393073870@fuse.net> >X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) >Resent-Message-ID: <YLw_6B.A.q9B.fMxL-@hemlock.violacea.com> >Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/29018 >X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2003 21:55:15.0320 (UTC) >FILETIME=[F20A3780:01C2C260] > >can you add another bucket brigade to a memory man? is there a tech who >will do this? > > >On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 04:45 PM, James Winger wrote: > >>DOD had one (FX96) at about 500ms. It used a single 3005. >> >>Funny thing, I had one and would run it on this really poorly regulated >>supply...it must have altered the clock as it would pump out delays of >>well over a second >>Note : what came out was very weird, it was an echo -- but it was very >>distorted (not overdrive / clipping distorted or simply low-frequency >from >>the slow clock) >> >>you've got a couple of options I guess - chain 2 BBD's together (you'll >>get some loss from twice the buckets) >> >>lower the clock speed (changes sampling rate and will restrict the >>frequency response, it might also start sounding "grainy") >> >> >> >> >> >>From: "mr.monk" <monk@fuse.net> >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: long analog delay >>Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:43:59 -0500 >>MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) >>Received: from mc7-f10.law1.hotmail.com ([65.54.253.17]) by >>mc7-s14.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 22 >>Jan 2003 12:44:30 -0800 >>Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by >>mc7-f10.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 22 >>Jan 2003 12:44:29 -0800 >>Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) >id >>PAA31711;Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:43:59 -0500 >>Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:43:59 -0500 >>Old-Return-Path: <monk@fuse.net> >>In-Reply-To: <00b301c2c257$f50f5040$69894682@lance> >>Message-Id: <3BB51D2C-2E4A-11D7-AC4B-000393073870@fuse.net> >>X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) >>Resent-Message-ID: <88HQbC.A.ZvH.PKwL-@hemlock.violacea.com> >>Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> >archive/latest/29008 >>X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Precedence: list >>Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2003 20:44:29.0984 (UTC) >>FILETIME=[0F9F5A00:01C2C257] >> >>does anyone know of a longish (850 ms +) analog delay? i'm thinking >about >>trying to have the memory modified to go twice as long.. just curious. >i'm >>of course leaving out the highly regarded but insanely priced EH 16sec >>delay. 1 second would be enough for me. i have the ubiquitous DL4 and >>although i do like it, the memory man is the least realistic of all the >>delays IMHO... >> >> >>thanks >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. 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