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Hi there! In light of the recent posts regarding the Audity 2000 I thought that I would post this reply. I was asking on a different list about the Audity 2000 vs. the newer Proteus 2500 and I received this answer, which was quite informative regarding the genesis from the A2000 to the current series of Proteus/Command Station units. I haven't acted on a new box yet, but it looks like an XL-7 to me would be a superior box compared to the A2000. Especially if future expansion is being considered. Best Regards, Nick Wilson Chicago Previous Post: To: Gearhead@yahoogroups.com From: "drK" <drk@delora.com> | This is Spam | Add to Address Book Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 18:14:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [Gearhead] Emu Audity 2000 vs. Proteus 2500? Maybe I can help as I own both the Audity 2K and the XL-7, which is the P2500 in a different set of skins with a different sound ROM. The Audity 2K was a predecessor of the Proteus 2K first generation. It offers "only" 64 note polyphony when using Z-Plane filters of 6 poles or less and 32 notes for the more complex 12 pole Z-plane filters. It also introduced the BPM-based LFOs and envelopes into the Proteus family as well as bringing over the patch cord architecture from the EOS samplers. It has six analog outputs and a S/PDIF coax out. ROM-wise the original Audity 2K had its own sound set which was unique then to the Proteus line. However many thought it was too specialized and Emu offered an upgrade, coincident with a new mother board update that added Flash-based OS updates, which brought to the Audity 2K the entire instrument files (multisamples) that were once part of the original Orbit and Planet Phatt modules. This was called the "Extreme Upgrade". I mention this because IMHO the Audity 2K without this upgrade is not nearly as useable. Not because of the ROM sounds (which are very useful) but because the mother board upgrade allowed the introduction of the special 64 voice polyphony mode mentioned above. Without the upgrade your Audity 2K is "stuck" at 32 voice polyphony. Emu introduced shortly after the Extreme upgrade the XL-1 member of the Proteus 2K family. This was essentially an Audity 2K with the Extreme upgrade, but with reduced output options (no digital out and only stereo outs). It was part of the "half Proteus 2K" family where Emu reduced polyphony and separate outs from the P2K family to lower costs. There was an upgrade path to a Turbo model. Some turbo XL-1's were also sold. The turbo model doubled polyphony to 128 voices (64 for 12 pole Z-plane filters)and added a second MIDI input for 32 channel multitimbral operation, just like the Proteus 2K. Since the turbo upgrade not only added the extra output options, doubled multitimbral channels and also the polyphony it was in many ways like two Audity 2K's in the same box. Also added was the so-called "Super Beats" mode which is a way of controlling drum grooves in real-time, brought over from the Planet Phatt model. Why this digression about the XL-1? Because XL-1's, especially the Turbo model are next generation Audity 2K's and are a better purchase than a Audity 2K without the Extreme upgrade. XL-1's can be found sometimes cheaper than Audity 2K's. The Command Stations, the XL-7, the MP-7, and the P2500 are all based on identical HW motherboards with the differences in external control features and ROM cards being the model differentiation. The XL-7 comes standard with the XL-1's sound ROM, though it has different included presets. If you look at the multisamples included with the XL-7 and compare them against the Audity 2K with the Extreme upgrade they are identical. The XL-7 is in every way a superior sound module to the Audity 2K. It *is* two Audity 2K's in the same box with 32 channel multitimbral operation, 128 note polyphony (64 for 12 pole Z-plane filters), has 32 arpeggiators, six analog outs, digital outs, Super Beats mode. Ignoring the sequencer, pressure sensitive drum pads and 16 control knobs it is still superior in very respect to the Audity 2K. The patch cord architecture and BPM LFO/envelopes are still available. There is no missing features, no "downgrades". The P2500 is the same as the XL-7 but it is mainly for rack-mounted use and does not have the pressure sensitive drum pads nor the ribbon controller. Its included sound ROM is very much geared toward main-stream pop production offering a wide range of different instrument types. it does not contain the wealth of synthesizer and drum kits targeted for e-music production that the Audity 2K (Extreme upgrade) XL-1, or XL-7 has. All of the Command stations can accept up to four 32MB sound ROMS. You can add to a P2500 an XL-1 sound ROM and have the same multisamples as the XL-7, with of course the extra "Pop" ROM's. Likewise you can add the "Pop" ROM to the XL-7. Another Proteus module worth considering is the Orbit 3 model. This is a more standard Proteus one-rack space module but with the same specs as the XL-7/P2500. It comes with two 32MB ROMs included, both by Dutch sound Designer Rob Pappen, and can accept two additional sound ROMs. And the XL-1 ROM and... Personally even at $299 I do not believe that the Audity 2K is a good buy because you really need to upgrade it to the Extreme status to gain the needed OS improvements. When this upgrade was introduced two years ago Emu offered it for a special price of $150 but I doubt it is that cheap today,if indeed it is even available. Be aware that the upgrade requires sending the Audity 2K back to Emu as it must be done at the factory. The XL-1 is a fine replacement for the Audity 2K with few missing features(only the lack of extra output options). The Command Stations are all excellent buys IMO. P2500 are not commonly offered used but I have seen XL-7's for below $550 used. You can rack mount a XL-7 or MP-7 if desired with a $30 uption from Emu. Sorry to carry on about all of this. I think the newest Proteus modules are quite exciting. The Audity 2K was a wonderful module for its day but I believe the newer modules just offer too much more. drk www.delora.com/music www.mp3.com/zdrk drk.iuma.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com