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I'm in the camp that most synthesis should sound synthetic. I've toyed with a few patches that mimic real instruments, and I always feel disappointed. When I hear other people doing it, I'm similarly disappointed, even when they're John McLaughlin. I remember a quote from Rick Walker where he says, "I love drum machines, I just want them to sound like appliances." I know what he means. On the other hand, you can make some pretty weird sounds by doing a lot of bending with a piano patch. Imagine a piano with a whammy bar. Now that would take some muscle to operate. Mark Sottilaro. ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > at best they can sound *like* other instruments tonal > textures (in a pinch) but seem to inhibit the ability to play those > instruments with the same *feel* as the originals for the most > part.