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thank you very much, Andree, Kim and Andy for your explanations! I fully agree to all of it (and trashed my answer I had already typed) Main points: It very helpfull (not really needed) to have an idea of all the functions you have available. To use them is a completely different thing because it requires that: - they fit to the music you hear (or dream off or what...) - you need practice to use them and understand the related parameters For me, there is too much talk about Loop4 requiring a MIDI pedal. It may be helpfull depending on what you want to do, but you can do a LOT without one. >Actually you buy it from Aurisis, which also includes Matthias and >Eric. You support Matthias more than the rest of us, since he's >really had the biggest role and so far is the only one able to live >off it! just move to a cheap country and you can live off your part, too, Kim! :-) Its really hot here though, lately, hard to keep working hard... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org