Re: So you want an effects processor (A5000)?

[Matthias Grob <matthias@grob.org>]

>Matthias-
>
>     Yes, the A5000 is a large box (14" deep), two rack spaces high.  It's
>not that heavy though, compared to the size/weight ratio of the EDP.  Most
>of the box is empty.

it is heavier than the PCM80 and 90 together, I looked that up. But 
thats not so important :-)
and: sure, nothing as dense as an EDP :-)

>     You wouldn't be able to record a show on the A4/5000 because the RAM,
>which is what it records into and plays out of, maxes out at 128MB (about 
>12
>minutes of stereo 44.1kHz, 16-bit audio).  You also wouldn't be able to 
>use
>it as an effects processor and recorder, unless you were using it in mono.
>And even then it would be a weird setup.

in the Yamaha Sampler Handbook they say that if you set the Save 
parameter, it records directly to HD and I understood that thus you 
can record much longer.

But the routing may be the problem. Could it be possible to simultaneously:
- use one effect section before the EDP
- the other effect section after the EDP
- record at the output of one of the effect sections (either the 
original or the looped/effected signal)

or:
- use one effect section before the EDP
- the other effect section after the EDP
- play back a sample

>
>     Ha ha, no realtime recording/looping either.  Although, you could 
>sample
>a loop or a set of loops and put them in the A5000 and trigger them with
>some kind of keyboard/foot controller, which you could then play over, but
>this would require work at home beforehand.

why could I not do that on stage, for example for the bass line that 
runs through a whole piece?

>It's not a device that's
>designed for live, on-the-fly usage.  The A5000 does not generate sync 
>(and
>will only sync it's LFO [through which you can sync delay effects] to
>external sync), however, so you would need some kind of brain (e.g.
>sequencer) controlling things.  *Or* you could program some kind of click
>into a loop that would only go out of a specific output, and then pipe 
>that
>into the BeatSync jack on the EDP.

I would set the trigger for that sample to the note the EDP emits 
normally at every loop end!

>Possibilities for abuse are endless.
>
>
>     What the A5000 excels at is sound mangling.  It does much more 
>than just chorus and pitch stuff.  The lo-fidelity/lo-res filters, 
>and the
>ring-modulator (TechMod) are my favorite to play with.  But putting those
>through rotating speaker simulators, and pitch shifters make for some 
>really
>wacky sounds, too.  And when you start controlling effects parameters with
>footpedals, then you're getting out there.
>
>     I think it's a good box.  It has more than one use.

yes, maybe we did not discover all of them yet!
please keep developping, I did not give up this idea yet!

thank you
Matthias

>
>
>>  fascinating suggestion, Jesse!
>>  I was mainly trying to reduce size and weight of my box by replacing
>>  the PCM80 and PCM90 by a single effect unit.
>>
>>  With a A5000 the box would have the same hight, but become deeper and
>>  a little heavier but there would be a sampler...
>>  I dont know whether i could use one.
>>
>>  Certainly would be interesting to record the show on its HD, but I am
>>  not sure whether the routing allows to use the effects and record the
>>  result?
>>
>>  Could be interesting to add some basic loops... can you record
>>  samples nearly realtime?
>>
>>  Certainly the effects dont match the PCMs, and there is no need for 
>stage.
>>  But can you do complex things that sound pretty strange or just the
>>  standard chorus/pitch and such as it looks in Yamahas Sampler manual?


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