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The PDS 8000 doesn't have any modulation, it's just an 8-second delay with sample/hold/trigger. The other two knobs are input/output level. The RDS 8000 (the rack-mounted version, all the RDS models actually) had modulation. A few years ago someone (I believe it was Kim) explained two different approaches to looping devices, which (as I recall) were delay versus sampler. I believe this was in response to a request that the EDP be upgraded to include the pitch-shift effects you can get with old-school delays through turning the delay time knob, and the short version of it all seemed to boil down to "sampler-style architecture makes it very difficult to do this while delay-style architecture makes it easy, and the EDP is a sampler-style device" (the Akai Headrush came out around that time and also lacked the feature I think you're hoping for). This is probably an oversimplification on my part, but as far as your DL4-modding desire, I suspect the answer is "No, or not unless you can find someone who can write new software for the DL-4 and burn it into an EPROM". TH On Thursday, March 13, 2003, at 05:35 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > I am new to the list and have a question for anybody out there who > might > be able to help me. I am in love with both the Line 6 DL4 and the > Digitech PDS 8000. Is there anyone who can mod a DL4 to emulate > aspects > of the PDS 8000, i.e. the features of just entering bits of sounds into > a loop and pitch modulation? Or is there a device that does all of > this > that is small and portable? Basically I just want to carry one piece > and be able to do it all. Am I asking too much?