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I too find a volume pedal indispensible; the Ernie Ball is like the Cadillac of 'em, but I've also used DeArmond, Boss FV-50's, a slew of Bespeco's which are great for the price (basically the same as the Boss for a lot less $), and right now I'm really enjoying a Dunlop Mister CryBaby that I got to kill both volume and wah birds with the same stone. Depending on the situation, I use as many as five volume pedals in my setup, including the one between a mic pre and the board that controls a Shure SM-57 for when I want to introduce flutes/vocals into a loop*... As far as its position in the effect chain, though, I prefer to put it *between* gain or modulation effects and time-based ones; ie. after most pedals, but *before* delays and reverbs, thus controlling input but not cutting off the 'tails'... -t- * a digression re looped vocals: the other day I picked up a cheap set of walkie-talkies ($5.74 at WalMart) and have been experimenting with holding one of them (the receiving unit) over a guitar pickup (thus on through effects/loopers) whilst, um, 'vocalizing' into the other one. Much fun. --- Evan Meyers <evanmeyers@yahoo.com> wrote: > volume pedal which i would put post effects,right > before the looper __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com