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Please forgive my earlier rant. I try religiously not to get into aesthetic arguments because after all, who the fuck is right, anyway? I was just feeling really sensitive about this stupid Iraq situation and acted really reactively to Das' post. Anyway, I'm in the give the artist the benefit of the doubt, 'there is no us and them, there's only us' school and, you know what? Most of the world doesn't agree with me and I'm not going to change them and they certainly aren't going to change me. I, like anyone on this list, have extremely strong likes and dislikes in art myself and, yes, of course, I didn't love or resonate with every performance at the Y2K2 LOOPFESTIVAL last year, but I really dug that everybody gave it their all..............everybody rooted for everybody else to succeed..............everybody worked hard to help each other on and off the stage............everybody, essentially, gave everybody the benefit of the doubt..........from the loop sophisticates to the loop newbies. I just would rather live in a world where people treated each other like that magical weekend, as imperfect as it was, musically, to some people. Call me naive. Decide that I"m just a mindless, undifferentiating, drooling hippy.......I don't care..........It's what I believe. This is my last post on the subject I promise. No hard feelings Das, I hope. yours, Rick Walker