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i'm going to take time and digest that paper. it's nice to have someone who's with a company who doesn't actively cater to looping explain how their product can be used within the context that the looper would want it to. you also answered my question about the reverse delay. thank you. i do have a question about the 4in/4out routing though: i downloaded vSigfile and initialised it for the Orville. i only see 2 audio inputs into the patch. how do i do quad stuff? thanks, eric williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/