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Well try it I did. This morning I spent a good couple of hours really tweaking sounds on the MPXG2 and I came to a few conclusions It's really good. All that I said about it's "amp models" not being good, I take back. Not all the presets sound good, but after some tweaking I got a lot of them to sound damn good and for sure usable. I would take this baby out to a live gig and go straight into the house mains with no problem. Not sure if I'd be happy with it's pre-amp sounds in every situation though. It seems like it does clean really well, and heavy distorto pretty well. It's one weakness seems to be that "kind of on the brink of dirty" sound that one gets with tubes and some of the better tube modelers. Running it in the effects loop of my Ampeg Reverbrocket or the Johnson JT50 makes that issue moot, as you wouldn't use it's amp or speaker sims anyway. I'm standing by what I said about the JamMan function. Not sure why Gary would think a guitar processor would be suitable for percussion loops anyway, but I think he's right. However, as a man who's sold on this whole "stereo" concept, I don't think the EDP would do it for me either... unless I had two brother synced together. Thanks to the IRS, no EDP for me at this time, but I think that when I do, it will be when I can afford a pair. I've just got so many beautiful stereo processors and synth sounds that I'm just not going to go back to my JamMan days with a mono looper. It's not my bag man. On that topic, where the MPXG2 shines is on it's rich stereo processing. Lush reverbs, delays, auto panning and phase based effects all shimmer the airspace directly effected by my Mackie HR824 near field monitors. Swa-eet. I do admit, I love the pre-amp tones of my Digitech 2120 but it doesn't have the lushness of time based effects that the Lexicon does. (though still very good IMO) I love the 2120 but what's sold me on the MPXG2 is beyond it's sound. It's in the sync. I move from a 70 bpm to a 140 bpm sequence, and look! The MPXG2 is right there with me. No need to tap tempo. Really really useful. *EVERY* effect processor should work this way. I'm really disappointed with the world. I was told the future would have lot's of robots and cool musical instruments. I saw it on Buck Rodgers (the 80s TV version, silly) I figured they'd all communicate tempo information. WHERE ARE MY ROBOTS? WHERE IS MY MIDI SYNC!? RECONFIGURE THE SENSOR ARRAY TO SEND A INVERSE GRAVITON PULSE INTO THE NAKED SINGULARITY! OK, time for bed. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, April 13, 2003, at 12:29 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > And as far as the MPX-G2--I gave up trying to use it for percussion > loops--but soon I am going to see if it can take the place of my GT-3 > Boss effector. Thing is, there's no amp models--it's old > technology--and I like running to a full range speaker--I am mixing > keyboard sounds in with the guitar (effected) signal, and don't want > to run it to a grungy ol' tube amp and knarl the MIDI keyboard sounds. > Only one way to find out, and that's to try it.