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i played around w/ my (old tascam) 4 track tape recorder this weekend and discovered one little tidbit for helping w/ timing of 20 sec loop (current length of looping tape that i have to experiment with). i recorded a quick percussive bit. "zero'd" counter out and then checked to see how long the counter played until the loop started playing over. not sure why it took me so long to figure that one out (I'M SLOW I GUESS, DUH!!!). on my old tascam porta 05, the 20 sec of looping time almost corresponded w/ the counter, i think it was hitting between 20 and 21 counter marks when it started over again. oh well, just an fyi for those using 4-track tape recorders as loopers. s--- --