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>>>Maybe a few get close, maybe some sound better in some ways. Nothing is *exact* as even batches of tubes vary from one to another.<<< Now that'll be the next step - downloadable plugins for different types of tubes - Ruby, Groovetubes, Sovtek etc... it'd be even better if some of the software was microphonic and squealed like mad... pot luck on your downloads... ;o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk