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<<Conn and Maestro used to make specific boxes for wind and brass players, usually based on dividers for square wave sub octaves. Any of these old boxes would be a lot more fun nowadays with the real-time layering that the Echoplex allows...>> I believe Chris Wood used one of the Maestro boxes with Traffic in the early 70's (on their second live album On The Road, there's bits where it sounds like he's using a wah wah pedal), and I believe Ian Underwood also used one with Zappa (I'm not sure if it's his solo or one of the others on the Uncle Meat version of King Kong, but one of them sounds like it has an octave divider on it). In the Van Der Graaf Generator boxset, David Jackson talks about using various effects on his saxes, including a King octave box that he wore on a belt pack that gave him one octave up, one octave down and/or two octaves in an combination with or without the original signal. And of course, you can use any effects pedal with an electric instrument of any kind, be it distortion (I once saw Mercury Rev's flute player Suzanne Thorpe using a Rat pedal), wah wah, or whatever. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com