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I would suggest only buying a desktop(powermac) or a powerbook, because the cache is is better than on ibooks and imacs and plus you've got something more than firewire for expansion (pcmcia on powerbook) pci slots on powermac if you want to put in an audio card, a pci firewire 2 card, DSP cards, extra internal drives, . in both cases upgrading HD and other stuff is easier on these two models too. I would only recommend buying new, refurbished, discontinued (has to be less than so many days old from orig manufacture[90? 180?] for applecare to be valid) and then only only only with an applecare warranty and maybe even a fry's warranty too(cause sometimes you can trade up in the mix and they'll float you a loaner for no downtime vs. applecare you have to go without for a little bit). You might luck out and lots of people do okay with a used machine and no warranty, but what if you don't, and you end up with someone elses problem or something they never really used in the machine and didn't know was a prob and in any case it's a gamble. So my vote would be for expandability, performance and no hidden costs. I would shoot for a model that's being discontinued because of a newer model, an open box, an open box of a refurbished demo, etc. as long as it's technically "new" so it could be warranteed thereby offsetting the cost of the warranty and then some by the copious savings on the unit itself. on 5/20/03 10:55 AM, mark at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > On Tuesday, May 20, 2003, at 08:40 AM, Evan Meyers wrote: > >> okay, the time has come... >> >> the hours have been worked and the money has been >> saved and now it is time to put together my project >> studio. i'm looking at getting a MAC G4 desktop. i >> don't want anything slower than 800 processor speed >> and obviously i plan to load it with probably above >> 700 meg of ram.