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Such black-and-white, knee-jerk idiocy, and in Rich Text too! I'm reminded of a woman who insisted that only pedophiles use the Internet. That makes just as much sense. I suppose you also think that "Just Say No" works, too. The tip-off is the grouping in of marjiuana with cocaine/crack and heroin, as DRUGS. Hint: An "extreme" is not a "norm". How about ALCOHOL, bub? It kills more people that I'll bet you've ever given yourself a chance to think about. More people abuse themselves with alcohol at home, on the job, and elsewhere, than most are willing to admit. Especially when they're on a soapbox the size of which you showed us below. ...'one years'? Steve Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Other - Quasi-daily Cartoon http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! Paulzric@aol.com knee-jerked: Only drug users defend using drugs. All drugs are a cop-out. It may take one years to figure it out, but I have never watched a drug user who continues to use drugs do anything with his/her life. I have only watched countless, and I mean countless, musicians who spent (and still spend) all of their energy buying kine bud, getting high morning, noon, and night, forget gig dates, forget phonenumbers, forget key changes, forget their ass, hook the outputs out of the inputs, forget how to route a VST wrapper, play their basses drenched in reverb and delays thinking it sounds cool, stop after setting up a TON of equipment to go get stoned and come back and 'noid out in front of their gear, choke when speaking to the audience...the list goes on. All of my former band members use(d) pot in excess and will defend it more loquaciously than anything I have read here are still only successes in their own personal hall of fame. As a matter of fact, my former drummer has a horrendous smokers hack and he aint smokin' cigarettes. All pot users will voice their opinions in favor of pot exactly like the denizens of the Isle of the Lotos Eaters. It's the same predictable, self-serving, stoner bullshit that I have heard for years. I'm through writing about pot. It's a trap. Give it up if you use it and rejoin your human mind. The psychedelic thing is really something else. Psylocibin fungus on your neurons. Big deal. So you join the fungus phylum for a while and realize "wow, this is a planet." Yep. It's a planet. Okay, now what? Cocaine? Pure craziness and a capitalists wet dream. Heroin. More madness. LSD? Okay, so maybe--maybe--if you're lucky, you get some real LSD and pitch a no-hitter. So what. It isn't you. It is you on the drug. Once is cool, but like anything, you get hooked and can't perform without it and you are a great big fake. Musicians who can only perform high: Any repeated behavior results ina refined performance. So if you are a musician who repeats behaviors while stoned, then you will learn and only be able to reliably replicate these behaviors while stoned. It is a trap that the body has created for itself. The only way out is to quit and relearn. That's it. Disagree all you want, but it's all in order to vehemently defend a crutch. Recreational drug use is for cheaters. Now, I highly doubt anyone reading this is a shaman or some other bonafide mystic, otherwise you'd not be bothering with internets and mailing lists and musical equipment, but rather be preparing a medicine bag with animal bones or divining water with a stick or whatever a true shaman does. I believe that the sacred substances of this planet belong to them and to them alone. All these kids driving around in Mustangs, smoking pot, going to class and staring vacant eyed at me (yes, I'm a teacher and I see firsthand just how fucked up people are who use drugs, how self-deluded and seduced by their peer structure and support system and the whole hunter/gathering routine) are plugging up the psychic ether for the rest of earnest people who would rather meditate and get to know the wonders of the universe without a barrage of confusion and sloppy intention. They can't retain and can't learn. I have not had one kid who supported pot do better than ones who do not. Period. The pot users always give themselves away, at least in my classes. It is so easy to manipulate a discussion in order to discover who favors pot. It's hilarious. And the ones who obviously have never seen it or are still so innocent that they haven't tried simply do naturally better at everything: their memory works, they are present, on time, alert, etc. I'm through. I can't convince anyone to stop. All I can say is there is no valid rationalization an active drug user can offer in defense of his or her self- destructive, mind-altering blackhole of a habit. None. John Lilly, Terrence McKenna, Timothy Leary, Norman Mailer, Poe, Hunter S., that freak Crowley, or the countelss musicians who have used drugs could have done so much more without. The body degenerates all by itself. A few doors opened by drug use is fine. Sustained and persistent use is a trap. I am telling you, read Isle... Now those who have bothered to read this entire message will hopefully discern a distinction between active, defensive drug users and those who have dived deep into the thickest of it, seen far-out (man) and wildly neurotic/exotic places and have come back only to realize..."fuck...that was cool but it can't last." Because, my good brothers, one has to come to realize that any drug dependency is a trap. Dependency is a trap. The best kind, perhaps...but a trap nonetheless. Amen.