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U wrote "by the way: is there a definition for the diference between > genre - style - category?" I looked up genre in the dictionary and in means simply" a style or category of art or literature" so they are to my mind the same! "Then again, some may say that you came to this conclusion for being > involved or even to enter history as academic "discoverer" of the > genre..." Ha Ha Ha!!! Its almost killed me to write this! The idea that I have done this from an academic slant for self promotion is amusing to me. Truth is I managed to think of something that I would find incredibly interesting to write about, and then got so into it that this is what came out. This is 5-6months hard work, done purely because I found this genre and this discussion forum so interesting. So people can say what they like! Plus people like Dr Richard Zvonar have already done so much, I have so much respect for him. > >" did you find where the name Live-Looping comes up first?" Only that it was yourself and Rick Walker that used it in the first two emails I received when I started researching this 5-6months ago. It made so much sense to me that I have used it ever since. Further to that i think its a brilliant title for the genre. Ohhh and the other reason i have done this is because I have learnt so much about Live-Looping as a form of music that it has given me hundreds of ideas i wish to explore in my own music. So I am off to the studio to record my music and in two months I will have my own internet site and yes it will contain alot about live-looping but in the most tarted up arty form I can think of. It will be nice to represent my musical side to the group next. Ohh yeah and I have a pair of EDP's which have been calling me for too long!!!!!! Cheers Geoff > on 27/5/03 4:18 am, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: > Wow, here we have a beautiful colection of definition points! > >> - The most common use of Live-Looping is where a player records a >> phrase that is then fed back to them, this process is then repeated >> to create a layering effect. >> - The feedback loop gives the player the opportunity to learn and >> capitalise upon the subtle nuances of their expression. >> - One person's personality is being layered as opposed to many >> personalities being combined. >> - The relationship between the looping device and the musician also >> allows for a large amount of improvisation. The player is >> unrestricted from having to communicate their intentions to other >> ensemble members. >> - Live-Looping provides the user with the opportunity to take chaos >> and achieve order from it. When a series of random events are >> selected and then repeated they cease to be random events because >> they then can be learnt and order can be perceived. t >> - Meaning is created from repetition. In this way Looping can also >> be said to display detail or magnify a situation. > > some more strong statements: > >> Once the medium of Live-Looping ceases to have an identity i.e. >> ceases to be recognisable as a process then in a sense the >> uniqueness of it as a compositional aid ceases and it becomes a >> device that can be used to emulate other forms of composition. >> >> With the popularity of DJ culture having peaked we may see a resurgence >in >> the importance of live generated material as opposed to pre recorded >live >> manipulated material. We are seeing an increasing convergence between >> electronic music and that which is made by conventional instruments. >> >> Live-Loopers to access the sound worlds of dance music and popular song >> structure with an ease that simply wasn't possible with tape. It is >perhaps >> most significant when these new capabilities are used to take the >essence of >> a music genre (e.g. Lafosse's innovative take on turntablism) rather >than >> the simple emulation of the sound world of other genres via different >means. >> >> Live-Looping is also creating a new emerging form of interaction between >> musicians. Live-Loopers are beginning to synchronise their devices >together >> so that they can improvise together into a looped form that maintains a >> consistent timing relationship. This creates a new kind of interaction. >> > > The most amazing one, just in this moment: > >> I believe that there is a strong case for Live-Looping to exist as a >> musical genre and for history to relate its unfolding story. On >> listening to a large range of music produced by the process of >> Live-Looping I have found that pieces from contrasting musical >> genres have remarkably similar qualities. >> I think it is fair to say that in some respects these works seem to be >more >> related to each other than the music of the genre each artist has been >> positioned in. > > > Thank you, Geoff! > > > I like your subjective judgement from "overall listening experience". > After we tried so hard to find logical solutions, it seems so > obvious, since its music... > Then again, some may say that you came to this conclusion for being > involved or even to enter history as academic "discoverer" of the > genre... > > Anyway, your text certainly eases our unsecurity and increases the > value of our all work! > > by the way: is there a definition for the diference between > genre - style - category? > > did you find where the name Live-Looping comes up first? > > > > >> This is a genre characterised by paradoxes, a performer plays their >> instrument live but their relationship to the dissemination of their >> instrument is different to that of the conventional player. By recording >> themselves, they are in a sense involving both themselves and the >audience >> in the processes of both the studio and the live environment. An >> instrumentalist is effectively recording their performance and >disseminating >> this recorded performance, as it happens. A live performance is >typically >> characterised by the fact that musical events are created and then lost. >> This is paradoxically the opposite of the situation in Live-Looping, >where >> the moment is captured and replayed as part of the performance. > > Sorry, I dont see paradox and opposite here. Isnt the "studio" part > simply an addition?