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I always felt like the Boss RC-20 had a little delay to its button presse, too. I think the amount of travel in the RC-20's pedals makes it a little harder to hit right in time than stomping on the EDP's buttons, which were a lot easier for me to get things in time with. I used to not think looping with other loopers was feasible without an elaborate monitoring rig, and having the loopers synced with MIDI but after jamming with Cara I see that it is possible. Just try and get your loop as in-time as possible, and then set up a button on your foot controller for retriggering your loop. Then you are responsible for keeping it in time with the rest of the players. However, if you have other players who are russian dragons and don't listen, then it just become a lot harder. I find it easier to hit time sensitive buttons when I am standing. If the music is groovy then I am bouncing along with it, and the button presses are just an extension of that bounce. A wise musician told me once, "How can you expect other people to dance to the music you're playing if you're not dancing to it?" That's part of your job as a performer is to lead the people in that sort of thing. Obviously everyone's not looking to make people dance, but it's something to think about. We may be able to appreciate music emitting from a sedentary body but, like it or not, MTV has taught the world that "real" music comes from people who are standing up with their guitars hanging down at their knees. Sit or stand, we've got to live with that. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" <kflint@loopers-delight.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Akai Heardush , a little frustrated, please help.. > At 05:31 AM 6/20/2003, jimfowler wrote: > >SIT DOWN WHEN YOU LOOP. i still can't nail the tempo when i try and > >balance on one foot while clicking buttons with the other. > > Maybe that's also a question of practice? > > I often find performers who sit down when they could be standing to be a > little boring to watch. I guess it depends on the context and instrument > and type of music, but most times I think standing is better. I think it > affects the energy of the music and the engagement between performer and > audience as well. > > > >you're gonna have to drill this into your drummers head because he's >used > >to being the one who picks and maintains the tempo, but now that you're > >looping, YOU ARE THE METRONOME. the drummer must follow you, not the > >other way around. i'm still reminding my drummer that once a loop is > >running, that's the tempo he has to follow. > > This seems too rigid to me, and kind of like an excuse for looping > musicians who haven't developed the skills to control their loops very > well. In a band, everybody should be listening to everybody, and taking > responsibility that they are playing their own part in time with >everybody > else. That *includes* you and your loops. Yes, the others should listen and > lock in to you also, but when your loop is shifting out of tempo with > everyone else, you need to know how to adjust it! > > that might include: > - tapping the loop in time to begin with > - retriggering loops to get aligned back with the downbeat (manual sync) > - adjusting tempo controls to beat match > - redefining loop lengths on the fly > - re-recording the loop on the fly if necessary > - generating sync clocks from other players for the looper to follow > - etc. > > Stamping your foot and insisting that everybody else has to obey the >tempo > of your loop seems like a good way to end up being a solo musician since > nobody else will want to play with you. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com >