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I just watched both of the David Torn videos for the first time. They must have been done a very long time ago. Nothing there I wasn't already aware of back in the mid 80's. He used a modified PCM 42 for his loops. He had a Jam Man but said he'd just got it and didn't know how to use it well yet. He didn't use it at all in the video. He didn't have an echoplex yet. The best thing about the video to me was seeing how he used the trans trem, and hearing him do the occasional lead. He's a very good musician and guitarist. It would be nice to see him do a video on the echoplex and what ever he is using now; and a seperate video on his rhythm and lead styles (without looping). All the very best! Terry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com