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Well, i'd have to say this... The Orville is my main and only effects unit, only augmented by an Oberheim which I send to and return from... If you want to explore the Orville as your only effects device, the possibilities are endless, because it's such a huge machine with so much processing power. However, one needs to be quite a programmer to get everything out of it. I often wish I had Zvonar's chops to do so... It would also be nice if Eventide supported their products a little better, i.e. Porting vsig to the mac, even providing CABLES so that one could use vsig on virtual pc. But there seems to be no interest there. In fact, some of the employees who wrote interesting patches and were oh so willing to provide product support are no longer there after a restructuring toward software based lines. The fact is there are more people interested in software based operations these days, and I must say after lugging my SMALL rig, which is a pendulum audio preamp, an orville and an oberheim, I'm still much better off with a 17 inch powerbook, an mhlabs mobile I/O and an art tube preamp, running max/msp, live and reaktor. Many ways to skin a cat. The Orville is the best from a hardware perspective IMHO, but I firmly believe because of the price, there are less users and therefore high level only, and the software has therefore not undergone the type of beta testing and consumer beating that would render it the machine of all our dreams including ease of use. Thank goodness I have one partner out on this coast who knows the machine more intimately than myself and we ratchet each other up... I still wouldn't hand mine back for the world. I love tc and all the rest, but I've never heard such fidelity as I hear in this machine. Environment #32 is a reverb patch built out of 32 delays, which fills any room with the clouds of softness and sweetness which I had always wished for... All best, Todd On 8/17/03 10:11 AM, "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote: > Dear loopers, > > been following the discussion re: using an Eventide Orville despite the >high > price (or not using it because of the price), and have been thinking >about > this a bit: > > For my solo performances, I currently use (besides my instruments, which > include some of a Yamaha SY85, a Korg Prophecy, a Roland MC-505, a Roland > VBass, a Korg Wavestation EX, a Nord Micromodular and two mikes for the > acoustic stuff) a 20HU rack containing a larger mixer and lots of >different > effects, plus a patchbay and a mastering processor. > > I wonder: could I just throw out all of the effects stuff (among them > StudioQuad, Fireworx, Vortex, Repeater, D-Two, MAM RS3, TC Triple-C) and > replace it with one Orville, then get a smaller mixer and mount the >Orville, > the smaller mixer and perhaps a mastering processor in a rack 4HU high, >and > then do all of my effects stuff (looping, filters, compression, reverbs, > delays, pitch shifter, you name it) with the superb quality and >flexibility > of the Orville? > > I'd definitely loose some of the intuitive aspects and perhaps some > flexibility, but, if I'd also add a MIDI controller like the doepfer > pocket-C, drehbank et al, perhaps get a superior solution? > > If I sum up the cost for the equipment mentioned above, and what I could >do > with the Orville setup, and also important how it would save transport >space > and weight (hey, I even could transport the setup in my sports car then >!), > I already start to regret that I didn't go for the new Orville I've seen >on > ebay for €4444 recently... > > Any opinions? > > Rainer > > Rainer Straschill > Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de > The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de > digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de > Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > >