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On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 05:55 PM, Travis wrote: > But, if you can't stand it, you can't stand it. Still, I don't think > $1600 for stereo EDPs is that much, if you're seriously making music > in a commercial context. Ah, here in lies the point. Commercial context. I have no desire to try and turn my art into money. Tried to do it before and only became sad and angry. I loop pretty much for me. If I can find people who enjoy it, that's great, but I'm not counting on it to pay the bills. So, what I'm saying is that I am typical, not the professional musician. I think Rick Walker might be the closest person here to making their living doing looping, and I know he has to supplement that with lessons and more standard fare in his shows. The reason I don't balk about my Photoshop license (of course this wouldn't be the forum anyway) is because I do make a living using that tool. My music only costs me money. I'm not complaining, I like it this way. When I bought an amp from some college kids, I saw they both had DL4s and we started talking about looping. They were really interested in learning about different looping devices. At the time the Repeater was still in production. I told them about the Repeater and the EDP and when I hit them with the price tags, they both looked deflated. They had blown their cash on nice instruments and amps, and didn't have much left over for a looper that was between $600 and $800. Mark Sottilaro