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Hello people in the past. In the future, we all wear silver suits and our meals all come in pill form. Our instruments have stereo outputs that give a rich lush sound with all sorts of cool movement. Some devices can give you as many as 5 different speakers for what we call "Surround Sound." Now I know this must be very frightening for you, but remember there was a time when people were also afraid of taking animal skins and stretching them across drums. I have to go now, there's an alien in my spaceship and he's videotaping me. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 12:48 PM, David wrote: > Nic - > > You're right. We humans perceive sound from all around us. > > A small nit: A piano isn't stereo, per se. It's our hearing apparatus > -- > our two ears getting divergent signals -- that creates the stereo > image. If > we had fours ears, we'd probably be strongly inclined toward 4-channel > playback. And, after smoking some pot, some of us might really feel > 8-channel playback is waay groovy. :-) > > Listen to a sound from a single loudspeaker in a room -- and, assuming > you > have two ears and they are both working nicely, you're listening to > that > sound in stereo -- as the sound bounces around the room and hits your > two > ears differently. > > This feature helped our survival-oriented forefathers (and > foremothers) more > accurately orient themselves as they ran toward juicy nutritious prey, > or > away from nasty horrible hunters. > > As you correctly pinpoint, it's the process of capturing an > instrument's > sound and using its acoustic energy to create an electronic signal > that can > be recorded, amplified, modified, etc. that renders the instrument > "mono." > In the recording process, multiple microphones are often used capture a > spatial quality -- especially for acoustic instruments like piano, > drums, > choirs and even loudspeakers themselves! :-) Accurately rendering a > three-dimensional spatial environment is what makes the advent of 5.1, > 6.1, > 7.1 etc., so enticing. Even so, here the spatial information is > reduced to > 5, 6, or 7 + 1 sources during playback. > > So yes, if you wanna do some of the most nifty way-sophisticated > looping of > a stereo sound image projected by your acoustic guitar, you'll need two > EDP's. And in the USA, you can do that for $48/month. > > David > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nic Roozeboom" <nic_roozeboom@msn.com> > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:45 PM > Subject: Re: Stereo EDP -- some statistics and an opinion... > > >>> Stereo shmereo - what a paper tiger!! - a few thoughts: >>> >>> 1) all natural (as opposed to electrically enhanced) instruments are > mono. >> >> This is such a grandiose oversimplification, I don't know where to > start... >> ;-) Rather than actually try, I'll offer this: a grand piano is an >> eminent >> example of a stereophonic instrument. >> >> What makes any instument, natural or otherwise, 'monophonic' is the >> result >> of recording and rendering it using a single channel. It's the >> capture and >> reproduction, not the instrument, that bears the characteristic of >> being >> mono. >> >> And, being 80% guitarist myself;-) - I'd add that a classical guitar, >> like >> many other natural instruments, is a spatial sound source, not a >> single-point sound field. >> >> As ever, not helping, >> Nic >> >> >>> From: "David" <vze2ncsr@verizon.net> >>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> >>> Subject: Re: Stereo EDP -- some statistics and an opinion... >>> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:13:48 -0400 >>> >>> OK - this gets my dander up! :-) So.... >>> >>> Adopting Curmudgeonly Kirkdorffer Persona: >>> >>> Stereo shmereo - what a paper tiger!! - a few thoughts: >>> >>> 1) all natural (as opposed to electrically enhanced) instruments are > mono. >>> 2) I'm guessing 80% of Looper-Delight readers are electric >>> guitarists. >>> (Kim? >>> Anyone?) >>> 3) Electric guitars, bases, violins, tubas, bazookis, kazoos, and >>> voice >>> are >>> all mono. >>> 4) If you're creating a stereo field with your instrument, you're >>> likely >>> going through a few pieces of gear to artificially create that field >>> -- >>> OR -- you're playing some kind of (somewhat) more upscale or esoteric >>> electronic instrument -- a groovebox or keyboard/synthesizer for >>> example. >>> 5) If it's been important to you to buy the tools to create the >>> stereo >>> field -- you've decided it's worth spending the money to get to >>> stereo -- >>> cool. And you have a stereo amp, and two monitors. >>> 6) If you can afford stereo-enabling devices -- you probably have >>> more > than >>> one of them. >>> 7) If you can afford to invest in stereo devices, can afford two >>> monitors >>> and have a stereo amp, you are probably a lot closer to affording a > second >>> EDP than you're letting on. >>> >>> F A C T - 1: Here are stats from that big EDP "restart" order I > helped >>> organize with Gibson at the end of 1999. >>> >>> 89% wanted 1 EDP >>> 9% wanted 2 EDP's >>> 2% wanted 3 EDP's >>> >>> F A C T - 2: From a Looping Device Market Penetration and Demand > study >>> I did in in 1997, 46% of EDP owners at the time indicated they would >>> buy >>> another EDP if priced at $700 +/- 10%. (If you want a copy of this > report, >>> let me know). >>> >>> It seems if you need a stereo edp, here are your basic options: >>> >>> 1) Present an economic case to Gibson for them to build it >>> 2) Design one yourself and build it -- if you think there's > sustaining >>> market demand for it, set up shop and make more. >>> 3) Buy a second unit: $649.99 from Alto Music. >>> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ >> eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2553271953&category=621 >>> 4) Buy a used unit when they come for sale -- and they do! >>> >>> I chose option 3. For me, it was clearly the cheapest, most >>> effective > and >>> quickest way to get what I needed. >>> >>> Exiting Curmudgeonly Kirkdorffer Persona. >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mark Hamburg" <mark_hamburg@baymoon.com> >>> To: "Looper's Delight" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:37 AM >>> Subject: Re: Stereo EDP >>> >>> >>>> on 8/25/03 8:22 PM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> And frankly, I don't care for someone telling me what I need when > I'm >>> the one >>>>> sitting with my rig going "crap, I need a mixer now." I have to buy >>> MORE >>> GEAR >>>>> for >>>>> the sole reason of WORKING AROUND basic product deficiencies like >>> signal >>> level >>>>> incompatibilities or the fact that there's one box in the mix >>>>> that's >>> not >>>>> stereo. >>>> >>>> That was my basic point. >>>> >>>> The EDP not doing stereo looping is potentially disappointing. If > you've >>> got >>>> stereo signals and you want to loop them and walk away, a stereo > looper >>> is >>>> pretty important. If you've got sounds that you have carefully >>>> placed > in >>> the >>>> stereo field, a stereo looper is pretty important. But if stereo >>>> were >>> really >>>> critical all the time, you'd think that more mix boards would have >>> stereo >>>> effects sends instead of mono sends. >>>> >>>> Not being stereo friendly, however -- i.e., not having stereo >>>> throughs >>> -- >>>> means that the EDP rapidly forces a need for a mixer as well and >>>> that >>> costs >>>> both money and rack space. (Or it forces a need for a second EDP >>>> that >>> will >>>> allow you to work in stereo for most but not quite all features.) >>>> >>>> Being mono isn't necessarily a huge barrier to entry. Not being able > to >>> play >>>> nicely with stereo equipment without help is a barrier to entry in >>>> all >>> but >>>> the simplest setups and in those setups its a pain that you've got >>>> to >>> find >>> a >>>> place to balance a rack mount item and hook up a separate foot >>>> pedal. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. >> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus >> >