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That is actually a good point about EDPs too. I've worked music retail and have been a musician for 24 years and I've seen an EDP only twice (I bought one of them) in a music store. (one at Height Asbury Music with a $1200 price tag on it and the one I bought at Banana's At Large in San Rafael, CA) Some of the places I've shopped are pretty high end little shops. Why isn't the EDP in more stores? My guess is because the store owners don't think that they could sell an audio looping device for what the EDP sells for. They agree with me, or they'd stock them and have their sales people push them. So I didn't make this up. Most of the other things on Kim's list I see in stores all the time. Hmmmmmm. I may not know more than Kim about hardware and getting a piece of it manufactured, but I'm sure of this. I know retail much better than most. If you can sell as many EDPs as you can make, why lower the price? Makes sense. But consider this: What if EDPs were *actually* in stores and Gibson did something to advertise and market them? What might happen then? We'll probably never know. My guess is that things like Reaktor will take off and that will be the introduction to most new loopers. If people start posting their Reaktor looping patches it will be an easy in for most computer based musicians. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 09:55 AM, | SquidLoop | wrote: > ::: > :::I've never seen one in a store. I've only seen it in one catalog > :::(Musicians > :::Friend), and then only recently. I've never seen anyone actually > using > :::one in > :::person. Yeah, I know...anecdotal. > ::: > > Rangs have been in the catalogs for years now. You probably just missed > it or weren't looking for it. You can go to Guitar Center and check 'em > out. >