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Almost anyone using pre-programmed patterns on a drum machine is essentially using canned loops, and I've done plenty with drum machines over the years. I got my SP808 thinking it would be a great way to capture loops to use as canned material. I haven't really done that, however. On my one effort at a CD project, I didn't consciously try not to use any canned material from either a drum machine or the SP808, but I ended up doing everything very live. That means that on the two tracks where I had drums, I was playing the HandSonic live to start it off before playing guitar. How those results turned out is open to interpretation. For example, recording two tracks a couple days apart ended up with relatively similar drum beats because (a) I'm not a drummer and (b) that was the rhythm that seemed to be in my head at the time. Maybe if I'd been programming the loop instead of playing it, I'd have pushed myself in more eccentric directions. Mark