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Paul Greenstein wrote: > Thought I would throw my own feelings about the Repeater back into the > ether: > > I have a Repeater already, but am considering getting an EDP as well. > My feeling was (and this has been reinforced by some of the writings on > this mailing list, both technical and conceptual) that the EDP has more > depths in terms of the possibility of random musicality. One of the > ways I use the Repeater is to record a musically straightforward, even > 'pretty' loop of indeterminate length. I then flip out of overdub mode, > and start to insert material, gradually breaking down the structure of > the piece, taking it in mostly unpredictable directions. > > It looks like the EDP would lend itself more to this kind of approach, > (I assume) due to features like Insert/Divide etc. My understanding (am > I wrong?) is that the EDP will quantise insertions to the beat, which > would obviously make it easier to create a 'musical' effect (which may > be desirable from time to time). > > Paul > > On Wednesday, October 29, 2003, at 04:31 pm, Greg House wrote: > > > --- Lance Chance <lrc8918@louisiana.edu> wrote: > > > > Not to be argumentative, or to discourage anyone from getting an EDP > > (which > > sounds like a great unit), but you make some statements about the > > Repeater which > > I don't understand. > > > > You mentioned the easier foot pedal setup. Well, yeah. The EDP has a > > dedicated > > foot pedal that you buy pre-configured. It doesn't get much easier > > then that. > > With the Repeater, you have to use a midi controller, which means > > programming it. > > That's always going to be more complicated. However, I've noticed that > > many of > > the more advanced users of the EDP also use a midi controller with it, > > to make > > more options and more control immediately available. The difficulty of > > programming a midi controller will be about the same whether you're > > controlling a > > Repeater or an EDP, so I don't really see this as a big advantage. > > > > And yes, while you can buy that simple dedicated foot controller for > > the EDP, > > they charge you almost as much for this basic metal box (which > > consists of just 7 > > switches and a handful of resistors) as you might pay for a nice > > Behringer MIDI > > foot controller, which is infinitely more versatile. > > > > Now, I -really- like the fact that you can plug an expression pedal > > directly into > > the EDP and control feedback (and other parameters?). That's a really > > nice > > feature. > > > >> i find the repeater more > >> difficult to use in a studio environment, where it's stutters and > >> fluttery > >> artifacts are much more apparent than in a live venue. > > > > I've never heard any "stutters or fluttery artifacts" when using my > > Repeater. It > > plays back what I play in. Is there a specific sequence of events or > > functions > > you use which triggers this? > > > >> if i had to drop one, i guess it would be the repeater, because > >> though it > >> can do a whole lot more, the work that i have done with my edp and > >> just my > >> guitar is much more professional sounding than the work i have done > >> with > >> the repeater. so, despite not being able to even twist the durn > >> delay time > >> (grrrr) on the edp, for me it finally came down to sound quality. > > > > Given that the Repeater has higher fidelity then the EDP, I don't > > understand this > > comment. I've never had any problems with it's sound quality, as long > > as it's run > > at the right signal levels, it's line level, and if you try to run it > > at > > instrument levels, it'll be noisy. That's not unique to the Repeater. > > Most studio > > effects are like this. > > > > Or are you talking about the slight ticking sound some people get on > > track 1 when > > using the CFC? Apparently that varies in intensity from unit to unit, > > mine > > doesn't do it. > > > >> the edp > >> sounds awesome. no doubt. it is warm and full and loops without the > >> slightest hint of a pop. i make a lot of textural soundscapes and > >> this > >> thing about pops at the loop point is almost a tie breaker right off > >> the > >> bat, for me. if you are an ebow player, i bet that you know what i > >> am > >> talking about. > > > > I am, and I don't. I hear a very slight change (usually a little > > surge) in volume > > around the loop point on the Repeater, never a pop. It's never > > bothered me. > > > >> i say get the edp. > > > > I don't necessarily disagree, depending on what someone wants to do, > > and how they > > like to work. > > > > For me, the Repeater works in a very intuitive way and it allows many > > many > > flexable options for manipulation which the EDP doesn't (time > > stretching/contracting, pitch manipulation, panning, time shifting, > > multiple > > tracks for realtime mixing, effects loop, etc). The EDP, on the other > > hand is > > extremely powerful in other respects. > > > > Compare what you like, how you work, the level things need to run in > > your rig, > > and what features you want to use while playing, and the choice will > > probably > > become clear. > > > > Greg > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > > http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ > > > > Yes the EDP does Quantise insertions to the beat. I use this feature all of the time. I create short random ostinatos by creating an empty one bar loop and then playing notes from a particular scale while tapping on the insert button. After a few passes, the EDP will spit out a really cool ostinato in the key that I'm playing. I'll then change the start point of the loop to where it feels naturally at the one, and overdub a short drum beat(by tapping on my acoustic guitar). I'll often then multiply that out and lay down a 4 to 8 bar bass line underneath that ostinato. This has become a staple of my live performance. Fun, fun, fun! John www.johnmazzarella.com