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Hi all, I layed a regular musicians night last night,did a little acoustic set, then someone noticed i had my DL-4 tucked away in my gig bag. after a bit (a lot) of encouragement, i got up and performed a very paired down looped set..........they loved it. this is the deepest carlisle (imagine the sort of place you might have to sit to write lord of the rings.......grass,sheep, cold winde etc) surrounded by old school wannabe folk singers, and all of a sudden im fielding a disscussion forum on looping!!!!it felt quite absurd. Im actually going back in a few weeks to give a little surgery style run down on live looping, which is one of the biggest honours ive ever been asked to do. Anyways, all of this got me thinking,out of all of the people who were crowding round me at the end of that session , onle one was a guitarist, and he had never come across any loop based device. Is it possible that we (or more impportantley the device manufacturers) could do so much more for Looping (and other kinds of effects/manipulation) if they slowly started to introduce the idea to music shops that effects and loopers can be applied to almost any instrument and that they arent the exclusive relm of guitarists. I dont know what others have experianced, (in fact please write in and say) but I have always had to look around the guitar department for and effect i wanted to buy. Last night for example there was a violinist who had wanted fr years to perform siple threepart pieces alone accompanying herself, but had never even thought of looking in a guitar shop for a looper. there is obviously a whole load fo mucisians out there who if given the knowlage would begin furthering out efforts. anyways, this has kind of got a bit vague and rambling, but you get the idea. Phill _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger