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In anycase, who is this 'we' you are elected to speak for? ;-p personally, I don't care if someone is informed or not... it's ok to be wrong.. it ok to express ones opinion and have it differ from everyone elses... it called 'dialog'... and while I while I agree with Emile's basic idea that the responses to the original poster could have been more gentle, I disagree that a non-gentle post should be responded to in a non-gentle way. Why escalate a heated dialog more? Why not try and bring it back down to a place where people can communicate, instead of fight? Anyway, this is just my opinon.. it's not meant to tell anyone how to be, just tossing out a different perspective in hopes that we might try and all be on the same side... :) peace -cpr p.s. since my perspectives have previously been catagorized under 'apathetic', I thought I'd toss in something I read recently that does a better job at saying what I am trying to say: "Through active self-discipline, and not meekness as is commonly misunderstood, we can transform anger through compassion and to be reconciled with ourselves and others." >-- Original Message -- >From: "Nic Roozeboom" <nic_roozeboom@msn.com> >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: No Good deed ... was Re:List abuse? (was...Completely Free) >Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:25:04 -0800 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >>A gentle post (offering a free CD) deserves a gentle response (suggesting > >>that the poster would have been better to ask users to direct their >>responses off-list). >> >>An un-gentle post (calling the person who offered the CD abusive) >deserves > >>a less gentle response. > >In any case, we'd like responses to be informed. Otherwise, best to >refrain > >from comment. >Nic > > >>From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" <emile@foryourhead.com> >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: No Good deed ... was Re:List abuse? (was...Completely Free) >>Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:50:02 -0500 >> >>A gentle post (offering a free CD) deserves a gentle response (suggesting > >>that the poster would have been better to ask users to direct their >>responses off-list). >> >>An un-gentle post (calling the person who offered the CD abusive) >deserves > >>a less gentle response. >> >> >> >>At 12:23 PM -0800 11/21/03, Nic Roozeboom wrote: >>>Emile Tobenfeld wrote: >>>>and what would have been wrong with a gentle email suggesting this >>>>instead of throwing terms like list abuse around? >>> >>>Please explain how your posting is better. Is it gentler, and does it >>>avoid throwing terms like 'bureaucrat' around? >>> >>>> >>>>This sounds like another case of "No good deed goes unpunished.", which > >>>>is an attitude I prefer to associate with bureaucrats than with >>>>experimental musicians. >>> >>>Perhaps your analysis is flawed: >>>(quoted from the original posting): >>>1. "I'm giving ten copies away free ... >>>2. "... to the next ten people that email the list and write, "send me >Zen >>>Engine!" Please do not email my personal address, just the Looper's >>>Delight list." >>> >>>No-one had any concerns with the first (the 'good deed'). The objections > >>>were aimed at the second, and rightfully so. Do you have any suggestions > >>>for a non-offensive, politically correct synonym for "list abuse"? >>> >>>In this light, would you care to reformulate your previous posting, this > >>>time avoiding careless public insults? >>> >>>Oh.. I can't speak for Rick, but I think I might prefer your reply >>>on-list. >>> >>>Best regards, >>>Nic >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>Is there a gadget-lover on your gift list? MSN Shopping has lined up some > >>>good bets! http://shopping.msn.com >> >> >>-- >>"Freedom is a scary thing --- Not many people really want it" >> -- Laurie Anderson -- pre 9.11 >> >>"Freedom is a scary thing --- So precious, so easy to lose". >> -- Laurie Anderson -- post 9.11 >> >>Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at >>http://www.foryourhead.com >> >> Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. >>Video Producer Image Processing Specialist >>Video for your HEAD! Boris FX >>http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Say ?goodbye? to busy signals and slow downloads with a high-speed >Internet > >connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. >https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) >