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On 04-01-20 08.17, "gsj3" <gsj32002@yahoo.com> wrote: > I am a guitarist, and somewhat new to looping. In looking for tools to >loop > live, I am struck that most hardware loopers (e.g. EDP, Boomerang, RC-20, > Gigaedelay) each have their limitations. Hi Gregory, I'm also a guitarist, doubling on the tenor saxophone, and I have made exactly the opposite experience; after looking into a possible laptop solution for live looping I'm struck by the limitations of today's available software loopers. Many years ago I wrote wish lists to software developers, but no one picked up my ideas for a software looper ("too small market" according to PSP). IMHO no software even comes close to what the EDP will let you do. All software lack "overdub layering sound-on-sound into a spinning loop" features. Personally I'm using my EDP to layer clusters and chords from monophonic playing and then to cut in/out different note values to create rhythms. This is so easily done on the EDP and yet no software will let you do it. Most software are still prone to the rigid "record-a-loop-and-have-it-play-back" concept. To loop live you need (1) overdub feedback control and (2) slicing possibilities, all working in record mode as well as in playback mode. And then, of course, (3) all parameters have to be accessible by external midi. At the moment I'm kind of half the way to a laptop set-up, since I have finally been able to replace my mixer with a laptop armed with a RME Multiface. The Multiface gives you 8 analog in/outputs and I'm using the laptop as a midi controllable patchbay/mixer for blending my EDP with the four tracks of my Repeater. But I seldom loop on the laptop - software is too limited. The software I'm mostly running is Ableton Live. The great benefit of Live is that mixer functions and plug-ins are easily assignable to external midi control. So I'm using a Behringer FCB1010 for my feet and a little UC-33 (midi mixer) for hands. Then I can direct audio streams from my hardware loopers by stepping on the FCB while playing, thus re-routing tracks/sends of Ableton Live software mixer. As a mixer/patchbay I find the laptop much less limited than a physical mixer. Add to this the ability to color audio with all kinds of software plug-ins. I'm running Ableton Live synced to the EDP (midi clock master) so all kind of beat synced software plug-ins keep up with my EDP tempo changes. > In principle, a software based system could combine the > "best of" various hadware setups such as sync to a MIDI tempo (like >Repeater > or EDP), have multiple loops simultaneously (repeater), operating like a >delay > where loops ca fade (boomerang). Yes, you are right. The possibilities are endless, but the tools are not out yet. I'm not sure that the market really is too small. A good software looper will sell well if only some developer could be able to wrap his head around the concept and write down the code. Ableton Live is pretty close, but it is still lacking both "overdub/layering into a loop" and "cutting note value slices out of/into a loop". -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.looproom.com