| During a performance, I think the crucial element 
-- regardless of a person performing with a computer laptop or fender telecaster 
-- is being able to respond to a musical situation in real-time.   And 
that comes from developing at least two capabilities: 1) being sensitive 
"musical moments" and 2) being able to adapt from "plan" to respond 
accordingly.   As to a failed hard-drive, I agree.  But an 
amplifier blowing a fuse is similar.   David   
  ----- Original Message -----  Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 6:09 
PM Subject: Re: Hardware Loopers--Tools or 
  Collector's items?  I was talking the other night with a friend 
  about the issue of instruments vs. the unlimited capabilities of software, and 
  we both agreed that a lot of times it’s the limitations of what you’re working 
  with that forces you to do something different and find your own voice. I 
  think there’s a lot to be said for pushing on strings (or whatever the 
  physicality of your instrument is), stepping on pedals, and twisting 
  knobs.
 
 I love electronic music and I’ve heard great music come off of 
  laptops at live shows, but it’s great in a different kind of way than music 
  where the actual sounds are being physically created. There’s an 
  element missing which I think comes down to the intensity of communing with 
  your instrument/rig and physically/mentally/spiritually willing and seducing 
  it to speak for you. I’m sure a lot of people out there feel like I do that 
  their hardware loopers are really part of their instrument—that you play the 
  whole setup, not just the piece of it that’s in your hands.
 
 Plus, as 
  anyone can attest to who’s ever been watching a performance where someone’s 
  hard drive crashes and the music just vanishes, the bummer potential of 
  relying on a computer is huge.
 
 
 
 
 Dan
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 Ity
 on 3/12/04 3:01 AM, Travis 
  Hartnett at tiktok@sprintmail.com wrote:
 
 
 On Mar 11, 2004, at 11:01 PM,
 Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote:
 
 >> 
    I've been thinking about this a lot, and I still think
 >> hardware 
    loopers may be on the way out.
 
 Nah.   Like guitars are on 
    the way out, replaced by synthesizers?  Or
 like synthesizers are on 
    the way out, replaced by samplers?  Or
 samplers are on the way out, 
    replaced by virtual analog synthesizers?
 
 Purpose built tools, those 
    things stick around forever, if they're even
 halfway useful. 
     Software tools get abandoned and systems dependent
 upon them 
    become difficult to maintain.  I knew a guy who was really
 dependent on a Powerbook 140 running, I believe, Mastertrax.  It 
    was
 this great sequencing program that did everything he wanted it to 
    and
 very little of anything else, and he had his two-man band doing 
    wacky
 covers with all the other parts being handled by the computer. 
     His
 program wouldn't  run on any version of the OS made after 
    '95 or so,
 the OS wouldn't run on any computer made after about '97, and 
    now he's
 got hundreds of files on floppy in Mastertrax song format. 
     Sure you
 can find parts for ancient powerbooks on eBay cheap, but 
    who the hell
 wants to bother with piecing together vintage computers? 
     Or following
 some never-ending upgrade path in both hardware and 
    software?  We're
 talking hundreds of songs that have to be 
    converted and doublechecked
 everytime you switch to some new freeware 
    sequencing program.  And
 we're talking about technology that's only 
    a decade or so old.
 
 Other people have brought up the point that 
    you're more likely to
 develop a deep relationship with a tool that has a 
    fixed feature set,
 rather than some software-based thing that can be 
    reconfigured and
 extended and changed in a thousand different ways. 
     But it's worth
 noting again: the ability to easily add features 
    may be more of a
 detriment than an advantage.  When it's difficult 
    or expensive to
 change something, you spend a lot more time considering 
    how important
 the feature really 
    is.
 
 
 TravisH
 
 
 
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