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I know to a point i may be saying what others have basically said, im not sure, i just feel i need to verbalise my views on this subject. >From the way the thread is now moving Im getting the idea that this "is looping a style/genre" thing is now coming partialy from the point of view that if you can call it a style you can talk to prospective gig bookers or audiences about it etc. This is the area that Im now going to talk about (cos I know there are others where this may or may not apply). It is my standpoint now that the emphasis and description that you place on the looping element of your music may well largly depend on how you use the loops. In other words if the Loops themselves are the most interesting and moving part of your show,you want to , and have every right to draw attention to them. (in this case I would say personally that I was using the Looping Style as I am effectivly creating the music within the perameters of repetition as the most key element) If however your loops form a bed for instance , of precussion, that you then play chords and sing a song over (say like howie day), you are basically using the Looping Technique (using the loop samlper as an extra instrument that could also be done with bongos if you happened to have another person lets say), rather then the looping style, and you are doing this because it is a good effect that complements another more important (to you) part of your music, in this case lets say singer songwriing. I guess to progress this to its next natural step you could then say that if you had recorded an album that was made from the point of view of exploreing the possibilitys and sounds inherent of the Looping tools that are available , you would then be talking about the Looping Genre, I would seperate this again from an album that could be made using the exact same tools but not BECAUSE of the tools I.E. the artist placed another part of the music as more important, (lets say he wanted to make an album of Jazz but did so with his Loopers, to this guy he has made a Jazz album that would sit in the Jazz Genre but that was made using the Looping Technique) I will therefore conclude that Looping is mostly a Technique, a sub-catagory of this would be that it is a tool in the same way that any effect that is applyed in a studio for a particular reason is a tool,(but obviously you could get a whole buch of musicians to play over and over again so this is not an exclusive phrase). Looping can be seen next as a Style due to the fact that it has an inherent sonic quality to it that can be identified through listening even though it crosses cross the borders of blues, jazz, rock etc. Finally to some artists who dedicate there time to the persuit of using loops as their MAIN form of musical reasoning you can say that looping to them and for their music Looping is a Genre. I know as a reletivly "outsider" persuit we are having difficultys in getting our heads around these things, but i think it is worth baring in mind this is not exclusive to Looping, its just that we seem more determined to search for a SINGLE answer, Im sure there are some areas that are flawed in this little thought burst, if you have any comments please let me know as responding to them may help further my understanding, Im 23, Ive been looping for just over a year, I know NOTHING, but I think the road to enlightenment maybe a long and incredebly fun one. Good luck to all of you on all your journeys Phill Wilson _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo