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At 03:42 10/06/04, you wrote: >OK, I've just discovered, thanks to my EFC footpedal misfiring (!), in out >and flip modes on the EDP plus - anybody been doing much experimenting >with >these? it's a whole lot of fun to experiment with, and especially hairy as >my expression pedal works back to front anyway!! Hi Steve In - Eberhard Weber uses Delay Mode ( where the pedal does Input control, but Overdub is "backwards"), but the result is the same. A nice thing to do is to just "swell" a few notes into the loop to create a backing. So the live sounds have attack, but the loop sounds are smooth. Out- Just like the Loop Vol control on your DL4 Flip- Ah..yes ..Flip Mode. sort of a soft glitch , there's a demo in the LD "tools of the trade/EDP" section. ...Insert works like in Stutter Mode ...a good tip is to put Rec=SAF, making it easy to start an "ordinary" loop, then crossfade it into abstraction. hey, now 3 people have tried it :-) Rep- Replace Mode. Lets you hear the effect of feedback changes straight away, which makes it easier to mix loop layers as you add them. andy butler