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Hi Neil, I use Live as master and slave my EDP by midi clock.... if that's what you meant? Yes, it's running smoothly over here. I keep doing a lot of multiply-rec's on the EDP to cut loop the length aggressively and it stays in sync all the time. The challenge is to start the music all ambient, with no beat, and then try to find the rhythm and the downbeat. One trick is to overdub a drone pad in Augustus Loop and have it return through Lives Autofilter plug-in. Whenever you need to find the beat you just have to increase a little resonance and listen to the beat synced filter sweeps of the autofilter. In my recent FCB set-up I only use three loop lengths, plus a triad option, for Augustus. If my memory serves me right it's one bar, two bars and four bars. So it's easy to get over from non-groove wishy-washy to a defined beat, with Augustus. Then, when the beat is defined I either record the first EDP loop in sync, or if I have already started an EDP loop that might now be of an odd lengths I do the rec-rec trick or multyply-rec to line it up. > What does Augustus Loop give you that you can't get just recording into > Live as a clip? No 1: "Overdub layering into a loop". And it also has this "inertia" when changing pitch, length or direction (reverse loop). It doesn't catch up right away, it slows down or speeds up, maybe misses the addressed speed a bit and goes back to lock up. I like to loop live with a bunch of organic loops that I change all the time. This can be done with Augustus but is not possible in Live. In live you have to fix a loop and leave it playing back over and over sounding almost the same (except for modulating plug-ins eventually slapped over the channel). Another thing Augustus gives, that Live doesn't, is some wonderfully unpredictable stuff you get when putting a loop into reverse mode and back, pitching it between -12, +-0 and +12. If you layer stuff when down at -12 and then go directly to +12 you will get some two octave high chatter-flutter. These manoeuvres seem to mess up fragments of audio still hoovering in RAM, and when going into reverse mode the loop length increases dramatically and all weird audio fragments appears right from nowhere in an unpredictable manners. Well, maybe it's really not so unpredictable, but at least I have not yet figured out exactly what is going on. But it sounds cool and I'm doing it all the time ;-) I tend to use LIve as a mixer and patchbay and very rarely record as a clip in Live. Might be if I need a tight bassline. Then I record into a live clip on a session view channel already prepared with a compressor for bass, and tune the clip down one octave. I use to play in a way that will make the bassline work also re-pitched, for use with other chords/harmonies. I hate when I have to look at the computer screen so I just record the bassline, turn to the laptop and put the clip into legato mode, tune it down one octave and copy it to a couple of scenes on the same track. Then I re-pitch some of the clips to give future options for building harmonies around them. By pressing foot pads to change scene in Live I can then recall those differently pitched basslines while improvising. It's a bit uncomfortable but if you load up with many basslines clips in Live you might not have to turn at the laptop again during that gig. All the best Per --- On Jul 23, 2004, at 10:26 PM, Neil Goldstein wrote: > Per > > I've been betatesting Live 4, and am an avid user since 1.0. > > What are your settings for syncing EDP to Live? Is it running smoothly? > I had tried that oh so powerful combo a while back but ran into > glitches > (no pun intended) where Live would reset to Bar 1 at each Loop Start on > the EDP when running the EDP as master clock. It probably needs the > right Song Pointer settings in the EDP. > > What does Augustus Loop give you that you can't get just recording into > Live as a clip? I looked at it but haven't had the heart to try it yet > with the glut of options already at hand :-) > > Inquiring minds... > > Neil > > > >> >> I'm "multi-tracking" my EDP by using it with a laptop running Ableton >> Live. Whenever I come up with something i like on the EDP I have the >> option to punch in a loop of it in Live. Then I continue to work the >> EDP loop into something different, in parallel with the Live loop >> (might also mangle it further i Live). But lately I have started using >> the software plug-in Augustus Loop and tend to use more live loops in >> Augustus together with the EDP instead of recording the EDP loops into >> Live. It's much faster and unpredictable in a way I like ;-) >> >> All the best >> >> Per Boysen >> --- >> http://www.boysen.se >> http://www.looproom.com >> >> --- >> Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 7/9/2004 >> > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 7/9/2004 > > >