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Hey Rich, How refreshing to hear someone who thinks In a Silent Way kicks bootay on Bitches Brew. All the critiques hold the latter up as ground breaking work, but I really think that In A Silent Way is much the better record and breaks the same ground more successfully (and earlier). I hear you about just kicking back and ENJOYING the music! I heartily support you in that endeavor. I occasionally pull out my 1st David Crosby record or Happy Sad by Tim Buckley or Veedon Fleece by Van Morrison and just let it wash over me without a 'groundbreaking' thought in my head. Looking forward to meeting you and your wife at Y2K4 and I dig Helmet too, by the way..............just haven't listened to their last stuff. Bring some for me to 'edumacate' me! <grin> *********** and to Richard Zvonar: viz a vis your post about former all vocal pop and avante garde CDs: I didn't mean at all to imply that I was being groundbreaking in a cultural sense with my CD and want to disabuse anyone of that notion immediately. I really meant that I was being groundbreaking for MYSELF by attempting to do something so audacious (I've not been a vocalist, after all and there are the incredible peeps like AmyX, PamelaZ, Whoolielicious, etc. that are in our own tiny scene who can 'kick my ass' both innovatively and vocally). I really was musing about taking on new things as a positive artistic challenge. Please forgive if I gave the wrong impression. And thanks for all the mentions of past innovators. LOL, I felt guilty at the time, but I hated Todd Rundgrens' all vocal CD...........and I was a huge fan. Meredith Monk on the other hand! Whew!!!!!