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Rick, let me add my drummachine-processing recommendations for some not-so-pricey solutions: A device most loopers have heard of which works wonders on drums is the Lexicon Vortex. The combination of tricky polyrythmic delays, subtle to super-weird modulation and the morphing feature work wonders on any repeating rhythmic structure. Another recommendation is to use drum machines with vocoders. The Quasimidi Sirius (which contains both a powerful groovebox and a vocoder) got me to this. Anything with vocoders will work here - from integrated solutions (like the Sirius or the Nord Modular) to discrete setups (may I again recommend the Zoom 1201 for the vocoder, Rick? Yes, the device I got for something like €30 still sits in my setup next to FireworX and Eclipse...) Rainer Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > Heck, any drum machine connected to something like the Alesis > INEKO can > sound really fresh and innovative. > Besides, it gets boring to me to hear stock drum machine > sounds, even if > they are cutting edge in terms of style. > Throw something through the random filter patch on those > pricey Lexicon > units and you are really humming. > > Just my 4 cents. >