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I have these too and while they can be used to great effect, the footprint is huge (pun? You decide) and the message is limited--as I mentioned to Larry by pmail, sometimes it's nice not to be limited by the size of your MIDI message. I gotta think the Behringer combined with a control surface is a good way to go. Gary Original message: <snip> What about the bass pedals, like the Roland PK-5 or 7? They'll act as a controller and have a mode for it. That may be the whole thing. 13 keys on the 5 and 19 on the 7. Larry Cooperman