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RE: Check out "Line 6 - Tonecore"
Title: RE: Check out "Line 6 - Tonecore"
I sold
my Pod Pro a few months back primarily for 3 reasons.
1.. I
began to hear the digital goo going on in the background, its subtle but
its there. I slight bit of background distortion for lack of a better
description, mostly noticeable on clean fender black face type
settings.
2. I
noticed minute latency,in the signal, however slight, but just a slight lag
time.
3. It
was missing some of the touch sensitivity of a real tube amp, the natural
compression that a tube gives. What some players describe as the amps ability to
breath.
All
this being said I'm still a fan of modeling, and in the case of the new vox
stuff, they are getting there act together as far as the "feel" issue goes. The
latency and digital noise I described are not noticeable in a full mix, so they
are still a viable tool in the recording environment, particularly when one
can't play loud and needs to go direct. And Live the digital noise factor is a
non-issue, though I have heard the knock that modeling amps sound thin live,
that has not been my experience. But the feel issue is a big issue for most
guitarists I believe, and until they get that really nailed the die hards will
remain die hards. I'm fortunate in that I own a couple of
vintage tube amps that I didn't pay a King's ransom for. I also own a groove
tubes trio preamp, left over from the rack crazy 90"s. Even with that I have to
use a cabinet simulator, and its not quite the same as a mic'd tube amp in terms
of dynamics and sense of air.. But for the guy who doesn't have the sheckles to
buy a vintage tube amp or something new and boutique, Modeling offers a
versatile good sounding, affordable alternative. That $250 30 watt new vox
modeling amp sounds fantastic!. $250 for excellent good feeling models of
several classic amps. And who knows ,perhaps the kid who plays a modeling amp
will be inspired to seek out the real thing like I did after playing around with
models of Vox ac15's and 30's. As far as modeling effects goes, I own a
couple of DL4's and I love them, I feel I could play a gig with just one of
those as my looper (though I'd prefer two). Sure they have noisy switches and
yes, I've heard cleaner delays (far dirtier one too), but they are, as far as I
know, the only available looper that allows you to use the loop function
and have a secondary echo type delay with control over delay time, regeneration
and depth, simultaneously. (owners of Rangs and DL20's can chime in here, I
haven't thoroughly checked either pedal out.) The other great feature is
the dedicated expression pedal which I'm surprised more people haven't raved
about on LD. The ability to set up two different snap shots of a delay's
settings, and morph between them can yield real flexibility on a pedal with only
three preset locations, not to mention great command over regeneration or delay
time or mix, or all of them at once. Ok so this is my long winded way of saying
to Andreas W and all the other modeling nay sayers....Give some of the newer
stuff a try, who knows, you might be pleasantly surprised. About
tuners,, haven't checked out the guyatone. I have an Intelli -touch tuner
that easily and non abrasively clamps on the headstock and can be folded
in so its not wagging in the breeze. it seems accurate and I like the fact I
don't have to plug in to it at all, it senses vibration, and can be clamped on
virtually any guitar that has a head stock. .Well maybe not a parker
fly....Runs on those little wafer batteries which is a drag, but I've had mine
about three years, and have yet to change batteries, probably because they
have an automatic shut off circuit that powers down after a few minutes of non
activity, Sweet.. I also like the tiny cheap Korg models, really small and
accurate.
Ok
I've prattled long enough
Bill
Hi,
I have to aggree. I personally think
that the whole modelling thing is simply crap and analog is the way to go
whenever possible as long as it's not an add-on effect like reverb or (loop-)
delay. But just last week I thought I'd immediately get a box that would do
standard delay fare plus ducking, reverse and modulation to broaden the
options of my Danelectro BackTalk reverse delay. (The DL-4 takes is too big
for my board, I loop with the EDP). So here it is, and I will give it a chance
for shure. Although the nice grainy sound of the Dano is quite
something.
BTW, what is the best compact guitar tuner on the
market? Anyone tried the Guyatone?
Andreas
In my opinion,
anyone interested in Line 6 gear, and modeling gear in
general, owes it to
themselves to actually TRY the stuff out firsthand.
There is so much hype
with these newly released gizmo's, and Line6 is
the biggest culprit of
touting the wonders of their new products. The
user base are the beta
testers, essentially! and if and when the
limitations of the gear
becomes an issue, quite possibly Line6 isn't
going to do anything about it,
or they have already moved their focus
onto their next product.
If
you're ok with that (and begrudgingly, I am, cuz I own a few L6
products),
then go ahead and buy.
Also, although L6 claims the superiority of
their products, they still
often don't 'feel' like the real thing....they
are more like 'their own
thing'. Again, as long as you're ok with
that, more power to you. I
just encourage you to try it out and make
sure it fits you, rather than
thinking Line 6 is overtly concerned about
rock solid performance and
user interfaces. They seems to just leave
the icing off the cake in
favor of selling more units, IMO.
Just my
2 cents too many,
Rich
Plus, modellng products
just 'feel' different. If you
-----Original Message-----
From:
Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se]
Sent:
Tuesday, September 28, 2004 2:51 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:
Re: Check out "Line 6 - Tonecore"
On Sep 28, 2004, at 10:22, Andreas
Willers wrote:
> wow,
> maybe time for my first piece of
equipment from Line 6....
> may be of interest to some.....Click Here:
Check out "Line 6 -
> Tonecore" http://www.line6.com/tonecore/echoPark.html
yes
the EchoPark spec's all look very interesting. "Sweep" and
"Ducking" are
parameters I'm very concerned with now when setting up a
laptop looping
meta-instrument. It's cool to see they also added
"Reverse". If you buy
one, Andreas, can you post a review? ;-)
All the best
Per
Boysen
