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I recently bit the proverbial bullet and moved from my GR300 series to the GK2 pickups. latest toy is a VG8ex. Initial impressions are the "modeled" 12 string, Les paul, etc are fun but hardly the real thing HOWEVER the weirder stuff (synths, extereme effects, etc) is quite cool if abused properly and the tracking is amazing. I'm having a lot fo trouble getting to the route of programmning though. As always ther Roland manula is cryptic japenglish at best. In particular I woudl liek to access the actual Waveforms in the synth models. I hear them in the presets (Sawtooth waves being fed into a filter somewhere) but I'll be damns if I can find any menu that lets me scoll them into the "instrument" section. I recently bought a Boss WP-20 wavefore processor with has a Square and saw wave which I'm sure the VG8ex has. If anyone can help me find them I'd really appreciate it. ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more.