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--- Larry Cooperman <coop@newmillguitar.com> wrote: >I'm beginning to think that the fixed > and the chaotic can live together? That reminds me of a technique I used to use in the 80's to record drum tracks on pre-production demos. I was often forced to use a drum machine due to volume and space constraints, but the two units I had really didn't sound very good. One was a little Boss programmable thing and the other was a really horrible Yamaha thing with pads (that I really only got for its midi control, but that's another story.) The Boss by itself had OK drum sounds per se, but sounded stiff and mechanical, the Yamaha by itself was ultra-cheesy. But when I would program an extremely minimalistic kick/snare thing into the Boss and play all the tom parts on the Yamaha through a boatload of processing, the two together sounded pretty cool. The Boss would provide a rock-solid tempo, but the looseness (sloppiness) of my fills on the Yamaha's pads gave it a "human" element, and got it away from the sameness of a repeating drum loop. That's sort of the approach that evolved into the way I loop as well, whether it's with others or alone. I like to use several low-tech loopers simultaneously, but that doesn't mean they're all playing at the same time. Trying to synch them cross-platform with tight rhythmic parts would obviously be a bad idea, so I tend to play those parts in real time on top of the loops, or when I need parts to be locked together, overdub them onto *one* of the devices. So one looper may have a percussive, rhythmic part going, one may be doing really low notes while another couple might have pads and chordal swells. But again, even though I might have 6 loops going, they're (usually) not all audible at the same time; I can play the faders like a keyboard. To extend that analogy, a piano has 88 diferent notes, but it's up to the player to determine which ones will be heard at any given time, how hard to hit the keys, how long to hold them or to wait between them, etc. All of this is even more true with the higher-end loopers like the EDP and Repeater, the difference being the greater control and flexibility a musician has available. Knowing and working with one's instrument's strengths and limitations goes a long way, and taste and restraint are essential when playing with other people. As far as "the Church Lady", your looping devices are really ony repeating what you input to them; the trick is controlling the playback so that it remains musical. -t- _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com