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>hi Matthias,
>
>>does anyone know about Holotropic Breathing, Stanislav Grof
>>or Rebirthing? Music is important there, isnt it? Could looping help,
>>or is it used somewhere in this context?
>
>I love where your spirit is going with this! You have a remarkable vision
>of
>different contexts in which group improvisation and looping can be used.
Yes, each women I meet wants to cure me with a different method. :-)
I really apreciate those efforts and find most of them interesting
and helpful to some extent, but never trust enough to really join a
group stay with it.
My center is the music - which luckily fits into many of the methods,
but so far never was fully accepted - possibly a power game also...
so I keep returning to the freedom to play...
> >yes, specifically, as soon as I think "this is great" (specially in
>>the sense of: "I am great"), its not any more
>
>Your voice is among the many who say that we must become empty like
>a hollow bone. I've felt it, too, that when we have no agenda, no
>ego, we are innocent like a child, we are totally in it for the
>Great Mystery of the moment--that's when we connect with the muse.
yes, as usual, you found the nice words :-)
>I totally support you in starting an improvisation group by the people
>for the
>people. It is making improvisation into a spiritual discipline,
discipline does not sound quite right for me here. The natures tool
to teach is through playing (just look at young cats!). So how is
that:
Discipline is they way to learn from other people and the past.
Playing is the way to learn from the actual universe.
>accessible by
>anyone. This is most emphatically my prayer, because I feel that
>communities can really be strengthened when we sing and dance
>together-- and we need to invent our own voice, to find our own path
>into the whole.
as oposed to tradition, we now emphasize the individual. But its
sound still should find harmony in the comunity, so this is part of
the exercise
> >I established a free improvising group here in Salvador since
>>February. The members keep changing exept me and my partner Danilo,
>>who is rather into rhythm, while I rather care for tuning. We let it
>>run. Most participants are not musician. the process even works when
>>noone ever played music. The result is not pleasent, most of the
>>time, but its very intense for the participants, and most time its
>>not chaotic. Its amazing that even if you dont want, some
>>organization always grows out of chaos! Its just a matter of time, or
>>patience with the chaos. Once its runing, it goes on for 3 hours or
>>more, and often though all kinds of styles including animal voices
>>:-). When there are more educated musicians, sometimes it turns into
>>barok poliphony and amazing a capella choirs. Very rarely we stop for
>>a moment or I say something about the process. Recently I had good
>>experiences when restarting with only voices and body sounds after
>>the first instrumental part worked out. Kills shame...
>>
>>Its a big kick to see some shining eyes in the end of people saying:
>>I thought I could not play music
>>I play for many years but never felt this
>>Its like brain washing
>>...
>>
>>I thought about inviting people of all over the world to participate.
>>I just dont quite know yet how to organize...
>
>Some friends agreed to have me facilitate singing circles in Calgary, and
>we
>have been holding Sunday gatherings with pot luck and improv. My
>experience really echoes what you have felt down in Bahia. I feel a
>great nostalgia for those days when tribal peoples used voice as a
>way to gel community, Nature,
>and Spirit.
nostalgia? I dont think it will be so similar to the past, when
traditional formality dominated...
>There is a man, David Hatfield, out of Vancouver, who hosts
>improvisational
>singing circles. He has developed some techniques for developing core
>musicality such as a sense of harmony and rhythm-- from within group
>improv.
>Google has cached a beautiful essay he wrote for the Unitarian Church. You
>might find his tips useful in facilitating your own group.
could not find it, would be interesting, really...
>Also, you mentioned Holotropic Breathing and looping. That would be a
>fantastic experiment. Shamanic drumming, looping, holotropic breathing,
>pranayama-- all seem to work in rhythmic ways to tune us in to the larger
>rhythms of Life. I believe we are at a place now where we are
>breaking out of the production-consumption industrial model of music
>and about to return to a participation-community model. To me, that
>is when music becomes a social tool.
"break out of the production-consumption industrial model" is great,
not just for music, but is it a return to any model? The process of
individualisation cannot be reversed. In the past, the priest was the
way to God, now everyone searches his own, which I find exellent.
But we need to prevent from isolation/missunderstanding.
Gathering to let our individual voices sound together does not have
the subordinating aspect it had in the past. I tried to find
colective hints like rules, but the members of our group dont accept
them and they are right.
While in the past, Unity was the first aim, now its Freedom.
I am only the founder, not the leader of the group.
>So I support you in working with people over machines. As a Western
>man I feel a part of the collective gear fetish-- and how
>destructive it can be when our boys toys become more important than
>our friends and neighbours. I really hope that we will continue to
>learn how to work together and make our music about care taking this
>beautiful Nature we have inherited.
yeah
The looping tools are great for self finding
but as discussed hear recently, for a group (bigger than 3, I would
say) they are rather holding back the dynamic process.
So far I dont see how to improve collective improvisation with a machine
:-)
>
>from the Heart,
>Mercury
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