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I already know how mellotrons work . I've opened one up.You can think of it as a replay only sampler if you like,I wouldn;t argue,it's a reasonable functional description,but I'm trying to explore the history and development of ideas and techniques ,your description doesn;t address the idea that Shaeffer,the originator of looping directly influenced the development of the mellotron. Also if you want to use strict definitions digital boxes don't have loops in them either,and so aren't loopers. I've had correspondance w/ someone who knows Terry Riley and asked him.Riley says he can't remember the name of the engineer,but that he was employed by RTF .This is significant ,as RTF employed Pierre Shaefer when he did his looping experiments in the 40s. Alot of people assert that everyone who that got their hands on a tape machine in the early 60s looped it,but there is pretty clear evidence showing that a single person invented it ,and that further developments spread from the RadioTelevision France where he worked ,and had the first multitrack tape machines. <html><div></div></html> _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/