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The fact that it was an RTF engineer suggests that he was familiar with ,not just Shaffers work ,but his technical approaches.Shaeffer was employed by RTF as an engineer,not as a composer so what he developed is likely to have been inhouse knowledge-chops so to speak. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/